Obama = Con

[BigDyl]

I try not to be mean, but you really are a complete fool.

You just get done telling irons that, well here's your quote





So would exactly is your logic that blasts Bush for everything bad & offers no praise for anything good? You're a hypocrite!

Forget it, I'm not getting into another argument with you. You are void of any sense.

In order to argue your delisional points I have to play your game and humor what you said.

 

[nartic]

I can't stand Obama. I don't want to start a political fued but Obama can jump off a cliff for all I care puff daddy look a like fag.

 

[kbm8795]

Of course he's a better speaker than Bush, but we all knew where Bush stood. Obama's speeches are ridiculously empty. I'm embarassed for these fools hanging on his every word.

People are making him out to be something he absolutely isn't. Anyone who believes his claim to "bring us together" is simply kidding themselves.

100% liberal rating.. don't see much wiggle room. It's all fluff.

Seems to me that the American people were told that the President was annointed by God to lead this Nation. And could there have been anything more empty and fluff than the infamous "I'm a uniter....not a divider" crap he fed this nation on the campaign trail?

Yep - Obama is a better speaker than Bush. For one thing, it appears from the size of his crowds that he inspires people, something no one has ever accused George W. Bush of doing in a public speech.

Apparently you only like fluff when it comes from the Right.

 

[KelJu]

Apparently you only like fluff when it comes from the Right.

Yeah, but that goes for every republican here almost.

It doesn't matter what you say or how you sound, only what team you play for. George Bush was the worst speaker I have ever seen give a speech in my life. I saw better speeches in 4th grade 4-H student council.

 

[DOMS]

What's funny is that even those GWB is a moron and left a horrible legacy for the Republicans, you liberals are still going to lose the next election. I swear, it's as if you guys want a Republican president.

 

[danzik17]

How about we all agree that almost every president since Thomas Jefferson has been a douchebag?

Except Teddy Roosevelt and Andrew Jackson. They were badasses.

 

[kbm8795]

What's funny is that even those GWB is a moron and left a horrible legacy for the Republicans, you liberals are still going to lose the next election. I swear, it's as if you guys want a Republican president.

Interesting...from what I gather from the wingnut gallery, they don't believe McCain is a true Republican.
Why, Ann Coulter just said a couple of weeks ago that she'd rather have Hillary than McCain, cuz she'd be stronger on national defense. And even ole Rush whined that he'd campaign for Hillary if McCain becomes the nominee.

Actually, it looks like conservatives are left out in the cold, even with McCain trying desperately to pander to their pet issues to drum up more money and support. I don't think most people are too interested in more-of-the-same.

 

[DOMS]

Interesting...from what I gather from the wingnut gallery, they don't believe McCain is a true Republican.

You can "gather" that. I simply don't care.

Actually, it looks like conservatives are left out in the cold, even with McCain trying desperately to pander to their pet issues to drum up more money and support. I don't think most people are too interested in more-of-the-same.

"conservatives are left out in the cold"? You're from the party that can't front a winning candidate.

 

[lucifuge]

You can "gather" that. I simply don't care.
"conservatives are left out in the cold"? You're from the party that can't front a winning candidate.

so funny, and yet so true

 

[DOMS]

so funny, and yet so true

 

[Irons77]

I'm not sticking up for anyone, I'm calling you out on your bullshit.

There is no point in talking to him about this anymore. He's to far gone in nutland. You give him facts and he's not bright enough to understand. Just let it go. We all have at least thing in common and that is lifting weights and looking damn good.

 

[kbm8795]

You can "gather" that. I simply don't care.



"conservatives are left out in the cold"? You're from the party that can't front a winning candidate.

I think the "not caring" is one of the reasons conservatives are being left out in the cold.

We'll see what happens as the election season unfolds. But if we look at the primary voting numbers so far, the Democrats have had far more participants in nearly every primary than Republicans. The RNC is struggling to raise money, not only for the presidential race, but for the congressional campaigns. Republicans have far more Senate seats up this year than the Democrats and a high number of incumbents retiring from the House.

Doesn't look too good for the 'cons.

 

[Irons77]

 

[DOMS]

I think the "not caring" is one of the reasons conservatives are being left out in the cold.

As always, you're getting it wrong. I don't care, not because of apathy, but because McCain is a shoo-in. Neither Obama or Hitlery is going to win. It's a foregone conclusion.
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[danzik17]

We'll be even more bankrupt with McCain in office

Then again Obama and Hillary want to spend shit tons of money too.

Fuck.

 

[Big Smoothy]

We'll be even more bankrupt with McCain in office

Then again Obama and Hillary want to spend shit tons of money too.

Fuck.

IMO, all 3 candidates will not act to fix the coming financial mess.

And, all 3 will add to it.


Check out the former GAO, David Walker. He just started a foundation.

We'll be hearing more of him. But will anyone listen or act?

 

[busyLivin]

Seems to me that the American people were told that the President was annointed by God to lead this Nation. And could there have been anything more empty and fluff than the infamous "I'm a uniter....not a divider" crap he fed this nation on the campaign trail?

Yep - Obama is a better speaker than Bush. For one thing, it appears from the size of his crowds that he inspires people, something no one has ever accused George W. Bush of doing in a public speech.

Apparently you only like fluff when it comes from the Right.

He inspires fools who are too lazy to research the guy. Go look at the two videos I posted earlier in this topic.. It's indictive of 80% of his support, I guarantee you.

Obama surged & hasn't undergone any scrutiny. It would only take one thing & he would fall apart. Anyone remember him crying when his ears were made fun of? Dems are taking a chance with him.. at least with Hillary you knew what you were getting.

Just a matter of time. His campaign should crash & burn.

I agree with you though, it's the Dem's election to lose & it will be pretty pathetic if they do.

 

[busyLivin]

Wrong topic, sorry. here are the two videos. (Before these videos, they were all drooling over Obama)


Take 1 (All Democrats):

YouTube Video

Take 2 (Week Later, Different Group of Democrats):

YouTube Video

 

[busyLivin]

Plus, don't kid yourself, kbm. When the general election comes around, conservatives are going to vote for McCain. They are making a point, but they will not hand the presidency to the ultra liberal Obama.

 

[DOMS]

Plus, don't kid yourself, kbm. When the general election comes around, conservatives are going to vote for McCain. They are making a point, but they will not hand the presidency to the ultra liberal Obama.

Additionally, a lot of people who would not usually vote, will take the time to vote against a black or woman president.

 

[danzik17]

Interesting videos but I won't believe them outright considering they come from Fox which has a known die-hard right wing republican bias. I'll bet CNN shows a completely different story with their more left-wing bias (no I'm not going to research this since I don't even like him that much).

 

[Big Smoothy]

Plus, don't kid yourself, kbm. When the general election comes around, conservatives are going to vote for McCain. They are making a point, but they will not hand the presidency to the ultra liberal Obama.

Totally agree, BL.

They're are making a point, and taking a stand. But they will go to McCain. Not much of a choice. I also see McCain picking a conservative VP who's in his 40s or 50s.

 

[kbm8795]

Wrong topic, sorry. here are the two videos. (Before these videos, they were all drooling over Obama)


Take 1 (All Democrats):

YouTube Video

Take 2 (Week Later, Different Group of Democrats):

YouTube Video

Uh....they say they are Democrats. Hannity and Colmes?

You do realize that Faux News was caught early in the campaign season using the same individuals as "independents" for a candidate focus group in two separate states.

By the way, the interviewer shows a pretty subjective reporting style.

 

[kbm8795]

Plus, don't kid yourself, kbm. When the general election comes around, conservatives are going to vote for McCain. They are making a point, but they will not hand the presidency to the ultra liberal Obama.

I don't think the Presidency will be decided on the basis of how the minority conservatives vote - especially those posturing on the Right. If the primaries have shown anything, it is how weak conservatives are, even in the Republican Party. McCain was their least favorite candidate, with the exception of Ron Paul. They can claim to make all the "points" they want, but all of the whining and gnashing and threatening from the favorite wingnut broadcasters hasn't slowed McCain down at all. Conservative columnists are furious, conservative broadcasters are livid - in their own words, there is no conservative candidate. There are even hints that Flip-floppin Mitt will rejoin the battle. He might have endorsed McCain, but he hasn't released his convention delegates. And the Huckster is still praying for a miracle, since he's this year's self-appointed representative from God.

It really doesn't matter if the hard-core conservative base votes for McCain. Judging from primary participation and inability of the RNC to raise money, the Republican party is in major trouble. And conservatives alone cannot elect a President - they couldn't even get one of their own through the primaries.

 

[kbm8795]

Totally agree, BL.

They're are making a point, and taking a stand. But they will go to McCain. Not much of a choice. I also see McCain picking a conservative VP who's in his 40s or 50s.

So do I. . .and it will only help him with the Far Right, who have no candidates anyway. It will hurt him with moderate Republicans and independent voters. . .and some of the evangelicals already don't like him. So he'll have to pander to the Right - and in doing so, will make himself look like "more of the same."

And more-of-the-same support right now is around 19%.

 

[kbm8795]

Additionally, a lot of people who would not usually vote, will take the time to vote against a black or woman president.

And you don't believe there won't be people taking the time to vote against another old white man?

 

[busyLivin]

Interesting videos but I won't believe them outright considering they come from Fox which has a known die-hard right wing republican bias. I'll bet CNN shows a completely different story with their more left-wing bias (no I'm not going to research this since I don't even like him that much).

Fox News catches too much shit. Without a doubt they are conservative, but the difference is that they do give the other side a shot.

As far as the videos go, it's absolutely the case. Ask any Obama supporter what they like about him. I've done it to several of them & they all say "He's inspirational'. That's his appeal, there's really no denying that.

 

[busyLivin]

I don't think the Presidency will be decided on the basis of how the minority conservatives vote - especially those posturing on the Right. If the primaries have shown anything, it is how weak conservatives are, even in the Republican Party. McCain was their least favorite candidate, with the exception of Ron Paul. They can claim to make all the "points" they want, but all of the whining and gnashing and threatening from the favorite wingnut broadcasters hasn't slowed McCain down at all. Conservative columnists are furious, conservative broadcasters are livid - in their own words, there is no conservative candidate. There are even hints that Flip-floppin Mitt will rejoin the battle. He might have endorsed McCain, but he hasn't released his convention delegates. And the Huckster is still praying for a miracle, since he's this year's self-appointed representative from God.

It really doesn't matter if the hard-core conservative base votes for McCain. Judging from primary participation and inability of the RNC to raise money, the Republican party is in major trouble. And conservatives alone cannot elect a President - they couldn't even get one of their own through the primaries.

McCain was the least favorite of the conservatives (our slate sucked), but don't discount their importance. The evangelicals were credited with Bush's election in 2004 & 2008. They have excellent organization & are successful in getting out the vote. With how close this election will be, their support will very much be key.

McCain didn't win the conservative vote until just recently. He was getting far less than a majority. You can't say they aren't important.

I don't really think McCain will pander too much more to the right.. really not necessary. Unlike Obama who claims to "reach across the aisle" when he NEVER has, McCain has a clear history of doing so... he should do well with the Independants.

For the far right, it's going to come down to the judges. Their problem with him is his stance on stem cell research & not supporting a Constitutional ban on same-sex marriage. But again, against Obama or Clinton, the choice is pretty clear.

Primary participation does make me a little nervous, but like you said, we weren't happy with our candidates. That doesn't mean we will gift wrap the presidency.

You must have seen the support & donations McCain got after the New York Times published that pathetic story on him. He's going to rally the base, especially if Clinton pulls off an upset next week . It may be unlikely, but you'd would be foolish to count her out. She's leading in Texas & Ohio. Either way, Clinton will drive us to the polls, and when Obama is properly scrutinized, he will do the same.

Again, I agree this year doesn't look good for us, but I have hope: not Obama's kind of empty hope, but substantive hope.

 

[busyLivin]

And you don't believe there won't be people taking the time to vote against another old white man?

No. Only extreme liberals will.. not exactly a Republican stronghold or a threat anyway.

 

[busyLivin]

Totally agree, BL.

They're are making a point, and taking a stand. But they will go to McCain. Not much of a choice. I also see McCain picking a conservative VP who's in his 40s or 50s.

I think he's going to take Romney or Charlie Crist to appease conservatives & then move back to the center.