Obama = Con

[Big Smoothy]

The Constitution is the single most important thing about this country.
That being said, I do not agree with the concept of 'interpreting' the Constitution. There is nothing to be interpreted. Leave it the hell alone and just follow it.

Ask these Americans with flag pins, flag hat, flag bumper stickers and flag t-shirts to tell you about the Bill of Rights, sometimes.

"Hey Mr. Patriot, tell me about the 6th Amendment, the 10th, 14th, or any others."

Watch them squirm.

The same goes for the "Freedom is not Free" bumper stickers.

What do these refer to?

The Patriot Acts I and II?

The Total Information and Awareness Act.

Wire-tapping.

 

[lucifuge]

Ask these Americans with flag pins, flag hat, flag bumper stickers and flag t-shirts to tell you about the Bill of Rights, sometimes.

"Hey Mr. Patriot, tell me about the 6th Amendment, the 10th, 14th, or any others."

Watch them squirm.

The same goes for the "Freedom is not Free" bumper stickers.

What do these refer to?

The Patriot Acts I and II?

The Total Information and Awareness Act.

Wire-tapping.

actually, you might be surprised by some of the responses to those questions... but I'm assuming that you're referring to the ones who also have the big Dale Earnhardt 3 plastered on their rear window.

 

[kbm8795]

you posted personality traits:

acts and speaks like a leader,
charismatic,
speaks well,
influential,
likable

Not one mention of what makes him a good president, or one accomplishment which would make him worthy.

A president, especially in these times, has to be a hell of a lot more than likeable. His foreign policy is nothing less than scary. Unconditional talks with Iran & Cuba? Give me a break... even Hillary knows better than that.

He's inexperienced & grossly arrogant.

Isn't every President inexperienced, since they pretty much can't have been president before they run for election?
Maybe it is time you read the Constitution, which clearly sets down the qualifications for being President. Remember, conservatives believe in a LITERAL reading of the Constitution.

As for accomplishments, I don't recall any conservatives having any reservations about running George W. Bush for President, even though his own vitae was pretty skimpy on individual accomplishment. What had Abe Lincoln done before President? What had Dwight Eisenhower done (besides being a general) before running for President? Heck, Eisenhower had never held any elected office at all.

Prince is right about one thing - a good president is one who knows how to communicate and can stir people to believe in his leadership. Bush was an utter failure in that regard, squandering so much support from this country following 9/11.

So now we are supposed to believe that McCain will be a "good" president, because the GOP says so? After they tossed him under the bus in favor of Bush eight years ago?

 

[Arnold]

Prince is right about one thing - a good president is one who...

damn, I thought I was right about at least two things.

 

[danzik17]

damn, I thought I was right about at least two things.

Nope, that was a man. Don't get so drunk next time.

 

[Splash Log]

You know whats scary? If Clinton wins it will be 24 years of bush / cliton. Only two families running our country is kinda scary when you think about it.

 

[Big Smoothy]

You know whats scary? If Clinton wins it will be 24 years of bush / cliton. Only two families running our country is kinda scary when you think about it.

The elitist machine has always run the USA.

In recent years, it just so happens to be that they are related.

In general, about 3,000 people run the USA.

Check out C. Wright Mills book on Amazon.com. "The Power Elite."

Eerily modern - but written in the 1950s.

 

[brogers]

Obama is a fraud. He goes to a black separatist church which cares more about africa than America. He voted against requiring hospitals to care for babies that survive abortions--preferring to let them die in a utility room alone (even NARAL supported this legislation). He is the most far-left candidate we have ever had. He's also a moron who said we should just start bombing pakistan, and thereby undermine General Musharraf whose government is the only thing standing between islamists and nuclear weapons.

His speeches are utter garbage too, only an intellectual infant would be impressed. He says NOTHING of substance. He even steals other people's speeches to say nothing. It's utter insanity that he has more than 1% of the vote.

 

[kbm8795]

Obama is a fraud. He goes to a black separatist church which cares more about africa than America.

Thank goodness we've never had any white presidents who went to white separatist churches who cared more about European wars than America.


He voted against requiring hospitals to care for babies that survive abortions--preferring to let them die in a utility room alone (even NARAL supported this legislation). He is the most far-left candidate we have ever had. He's also a moron who said we should just start bombing pakistan, and thereby undermine General Musharraf whose government is the only thing standing between islamists and nuclear weapons.

I'd love to see where you get your news. It's like a non-stop wingnut comedy club here. . all fear...all smear....all the time. We love America! YAH!.

His speeches are utter garbage too, only an intellectual infant would be impressed. He says NOTHING of substance. He even steals other people's speeches to say nothing. It's utter insanity that he has more than 1% of the vote.

But he can at least pronounce the words. Now tell us again what "intellectual infants" were so easily sucked into Bush's eloquent speaking abilities? It's not like conservatives have any high standards when it comes to public speaking - and certainly no commitment to any substance, with their preoccupation with symbols and political campaigns of fear-and-smear. Substance?

Well hell, it's good to know Republicans at least suddenly remember the name Osama. Even if Osama bin Forgotten has been replaced by their very substance-filled references to Barack "Osama."

 

[Arnold]

But he can at least pronounce the words. Now tell us again what "intellectual infants" were so easily sucked into Bush's eloquent speaking abilities? It's not like conservatives have any high standards when it comes to public speaking - and certainly no commitment to any substance, with their preoccupation with symbols and political campaigns of fear-and-smear. Substance?

 

[Dale Mabry]

Obama is a fraud. He goes to a black separatist church which cares more about africa than America.

As opposed to the current administration that cares more about Iraq than Americans?

He's also a moron who said we should just start bombing pakistan, and thereby undermine General Musharraf whose government is the only thing standing between islamists and nuclear weapons.

Imagine that, bombing people just for the hell of it, without a good, plausible reason.

Let's face it, the only thing preventing Islam from nuclear weapons is us blowing the living hell out of them, and that's the way it should be.

I am not for either side. 4 and 8 years ago I would have voted for McCain. He didn't give a shit about social issues and was for a strong military and low taxes. Let's face it, taxes are going up, do you want them to go up forever with this shitty war or over a shorter time period? Of the 2 options stay at war for 100 years or immediate withdrawal, I go for immediate withdrawal. Pull our boys out of there and save taxpayer money. Sure, the region is destabilized forever, but let them kill each other, and not our boys. Open our borders to the Mexicans? Don't care either way on that one. Educate the ones here illegally? Why not, we've spent trillions on a worthless war? The cream is going to rise to the top, the shit will sink to the bottom, regardless of what color it is.

We haven't had more than 12 years of the same party for a reason, because both parties are fucked methodologically to opposite extremes.

 

[danzik17]

As opposed to the current administration that cares more about Iraq than Americans?



Imagine that, bombing people just for the hell of it, without a good, plausible reason.

Let's face it, the only thing preventing Islam from nuclear weapons is us blowing the living hell out of them, and that's the way it should be.

I am not for either side. 4 and 8 years ago I would have voted for McCain. He didn't give a shit about social issues and was for a strong military and low taxes. Let's face it, taxes are going up, do you want them to go up forever with this shitty war or over a shorter time period? Of the 2 options stay at war for 100 years or immediate withdrawal, I go for immediate withdrawal. Pull our boys out of there and save taxpayer money. Sure, the region is destabilized forever, but let them kill each other, and not our boys. Open our borders to the Mexicans? Don't care either way on that one. Educate the ones here illegally? Why not, we've spent trillions on a worthless war? The cream is going to rise to the top, the shit will sink to the bottom, regardless of what color it is.

We haven't had more than 12 years of the same party for a reason, because both parties are fucked methodologically to opposite extremes.

The war would never last for 100 years. After 5 more years China will just go "give us our fucking money".

 

[maniclion]

I almost pissed my pants laughing when I heard Hillary whining about the "media" loving Barack more than her and then bringing up Saturday Night Live........what does she think they are a News Agency? Next thing you know she'll be saying the Colbert Report is totally unfair.....What a ding-bat....I could give 2 shits about who wins as long as it's not her......

 

[Splash Log]

 

[BigDyl]

But he can at least pronounce the words. Now tell us again what "intellectual infants" were so easily sucked into Bush's eloquent speaking abilities? It's not like conservatives have any high standards when it comes to public speaking - and certainly no commitment to any substance, with their preoccupation with symbols and political campaigns of fear-and-smear. Substance?

Well hell, it's good to know Republicans at least suddenly remember the name Osama. Even if Osama bin Forgotten has been replaced by their very substance-filled references to Barack "Osama."

That was ownage.

 

[Big Smoothy]

Well, the subtle smear campaign has begun.

It started with Hillary noting Farrakhan's endorsement, and Hillary bringing....the Jews....

Then the Tennessee Republican Party (whatever that mean) used the Obama dress picture to try to alarm Jews and Zionist Jews that Obama will harm Israel or not support Israel enough. (Israel get more aid than any other country in the world from the US.)

And then there is the middle "Hussein."

Most - not all - of the American public are ignorant sheep.

And the smear campaigners are playing to them.

The question is: will this work?

 

[busyLivin]

Well, the subtle smear campaign has begun.

It started with Hillary noting Farrakhan's endorsement, and Hillary bringing....the Jews....

Then the Tennessee Republican Party (whatever that mean) used the Obama dress picture to try to alarm Jews and Zionist Jews that Obama will harm Israel or not support Israel enough. (Israel get more aid than any other country in the world from the US.)

And then there is the middle "Hussein."

Most - not all - of the American public are ignorant sheep.

And the smear campaigners are playing to them.

The question is: will this work?

If it has to be a dem President, I actually find myself preferring Hillary now over Obama by a wide margin.


I can't believe I'm saying that, but I know what's going to happen with Hillary. Obama is an unknown... his foreign policy/inexperience makes me nervous.

That's not just because we have a better shot of beating her..

 

[Big Smoothy]

....his foreign policy/inexperience makes me nervous.

Why be nervous?

The Cold War is over.

The Soviet Union and Eastern Europe collapsed.

No need to be nervous.

Is there a New threat?


Oh, dear...........

 

[DOMS]

Why be nervous?

The Cold War is over.

The Soviet Union and Eastern Europe collapsed.

No need to be nervous.

Is there a New threat?


Oh, dear...........

What a dumb ass.

Bill Clinton's "bend over and take it in the ass" foreign policy culminated in 9/11.

And Bush's "bring democracy to the desert monkeys" foreign policy has led to thousands of dead US troops and billions upon billions of wasted money.

A bad foreign policy can do a lot of damage.

 

[Big Smoothy]

Bill Clinton's "bend over and take it in the ass" foreign policy culminated in 9/11.

I agree, DOMS. Bill Clinton could have done a lot more, especially after 1993, and using intelligence.

And Bush's "bring democracy to the desert monkeys" foreign policy has led to thousands of dead US troops and billions upon billions of wasted money.

A bad foreign policy can do a lot of damage.

What is so surprising is that the official American policy in the middle east for 80 yeas has been to support dictatorships to provide stability. Keeping the radical groups and elements at bay.

Then George W. Bush and Ari Fleischer and others in the administration came along and started saying they wanted "democracy in the middle east." Especially in the many press conferences leading up to the invasion.

This is when I knew they were lying, and deceiving the public.

I thought Mainstream Media (MSM) would jump all over the administration and criticize them, but they never said a word. In fact, they just repeated the propaganda of "democracy in the middle east."

At the same time the US suppors Mubarak, the dictator in Egyps, the Saud family in Saudi Arabia, and is doing oil deals with Qaddaffi in Libya.

Americans are sheep.

 

[danzik17]

What a dumb ass.

Bill Clinton's "bend over and take it in the ass" foreign policy culminated in 9/11.

And Bush's "bring democracy to the desert monkeys" foreign policy has led to thousands of dead US troops and billions upon billions of wasted money.

A bad foreign policy can do a lot of damage.

Agreed, except I think 9/11 had a lot more to do with past policy towards the middle east. I will agree that Bill Clinton being a pussy allowed 9/11 to happen, but I don't think he entirely caused the tension that led to it.

 

[Big Smoothy]

Agreed, except I think 9/11 had a lot more to do with past policy towards the middle east.

The political aspect of 9/11 is greater than most think, IMO.

I worked with some very moderate Muslims and they said "look, the US did 9/11 to themselves."

In a way, this sentiment spot-on.

Blind and unconditional support of Israel is noted by Muslims all over the world, even in the UK.

Also, overthrowing Mossadegh in 1953 in Iran over oil and putting the Shah in power again.

Also, carving up these nation-states (by the UK).

Bill Clinton was weak in the 90s as the attack (12 attacks) were going on.

Would the 9/11 hijackers been allowed to enter the US and learn how to fly planes, and get financing?

I think they still could have pulled off 9/11 even if Bill Clinton was tougher.

Unfortunately, there will be another terrorist attack in the USA. We don't know when it will happen or where, but eventually some attack will be pulled off. They methodically plan, they have patience, they have financing, and they are willing to die.

I will agree that Bill Clinton being a pussy allowed 9/11 to happen, but I don't think he entirely caused the tension that led to it.[/QUOTE]

 

[DOMS]

What is so surprising is that the official American policy in the middle east for 80 yeas has been to support dictatorships to provide stability. Keeping the radical groups and elements at bay.

And this is the only way to deal with Arabs. Well, aside form nuking their whole shitty region into a giant mirror.

Bush had no right to change that policy.

 

[DOMS]

Agreed, except I think 9/11 had a lot more to do with past policy towards the middle east. I will agree that Bill Clinton being a pussy allowed 9/11 to happen, but I don't think he entirely caused the tension that led to it.

I completely agree.

 

[maniclion]

And this is the only way to deal with Arabs. Well, aside form nuking their whole shitty region into a giant mirror.

Bush had no right to change that policy.

Clinton had better reasons to go into Iraq than Bush's unsubstantiated rumors about WMD's because there were some metal tubes. I know Clinton did because I saw the actual intelligence coming out of that area during 97-98 but I can't go into detail....

 

[DOMS]

Americans are sheep.

Most people, the world over, are sheep.

 

[lucifuge]

Holy Crap... people actually admitted that 9/11 was NOT Bush's fault.

 

[brogers]

The muslim fanatics are going to be a thorn in our side until we adopt the 1940's mentality that we had against the Japanese, who were nearly as insane as the muslim fanatics are now, (think running planes into stuff is new?) We need to stop ignoring the fact that the Saudis and other arab nations are pumping money into radical mosques all over the world and training radical clerics and hold those nuts accountable.

I'm generally a very market-solutions oriented person, but I would have absolutely no problem if the government launched a massive public works project to construct nuclear plants (to produce hydrogen from excess power) and a hydrogen gas infrastructure network so we can have the freedom to put those dark-age throwbacks in their place. We would probably save money by doing this, since we can cut most, if not all foreign aid and cut back our military presence there.

 

[Big Smoothy]

The muslim fanatics are going to be a thorn in our side until we adopt the 1940's mentality that we had against the Japanese, who were nearly as insane as the muslim fanatics are now....

The Japanese were completely different in their aims and objectives.
There is no correlation among Hirojito and the modern day Muslim fanatics.

Please cite your sources when you state these claims. I've never read this anywhere.

I'm generally a very market-solutions oriented person, but I would have absolutely no problem if the government launched a massive public works project to construct nuclear plants (to produce hydrogen from excess power) and a hydrogen gas infrastructure network so we can have the freedom to put those dark-age throwbacks in their place. We would probably save money by doing this, since we can cut most, if not all foreign aid and cut back our military presence there.

I did not know that domestic energy sources were the heart of the matter.

Again, cite your sources on this.

 

[brogers]

What source needs to be cited? The Japanese were nearly just as fanatical, completely willing to sacrifice their lives in the fight and used suicide tactics. I made NO comparison about their aims/objectives, merely their mindset, perhaps you should learn to read before you reply. We broke them by using massive bombing campaigns against their cities (Hiroshima was NOTHING compared to what we did to the rest of the country).

Domestic energy is not the problem, the use of excess power from nuclear plants, which are much better being run at full capacity, to make hydrogen for hydrogen powered vehicles, which gain about a factor of 3 in efficiency over combustion engines as a side bonus, would reduce our middle eastern oil demands to near zero. I think this could be done for less than the 300 billion or whatever we're spending now in Iraq.