Once Iraq is stabilized...

[JordanMang]

Have you told your therapist aboutl this need to kill people that have done nothing to you?

It was a joke, but I think you knew that. I don't have a therapist, and I don't believe in violence if it can be helped.

 

[Decker]

It was a joke, but I think you knew that. I don't have a therapist, and I don't believe in violence if it can be helped.

I know Jordan, I was just goofing with you.

 

[Dale Mabry]

Yea, but define "Mainstream"?

Anything the GOP "spin mill" doesn't put out.

 

[Pedigree]

The intelligence committee suggested that Saddam would have built a useable Nuke in 5-7 years. Should we have just waited 4 1/2 to oust him? Maybe he would have had one in just 3 years? He was a threat to the US and it's allies and also directly funded terrorism.
I just heard a great speaker on Father's Day talk about Iraq who spent 4 weeks in Iraq last October. His name is Chuck Holton and he was in the Army Special Forces and saw actual live combat in Panama.
There was a large man-made lake with an island in the middle of it. On that island, there were two palaces...he said they were comparable in size to the US Capital Building. They were Saddam's son's palaces, one for Uday and the other for Qusay. They didn't live in either of them, but their "women" did. Their women were hand picked by the sons themselves at random. If they liked the way a woman looked, they picked her. The women were taken to the island where they lived the rest of their short lives. The son would go into his respective palace, pick one of his young women and have sex with her...once. Immediately afterward, he would slit her throat and throw her body in the lake. When the US was looking for WMDs, over 300 naked female bodies were recovered from the lake.
If you think we shouldn't be there, you have issues. What makes you any better than those women who died for no reason? The father and both sons are now out of commission. Have US Soldiers and some Iraqi civilians died in the process? Sadly, yes...but they always do in a war. War sucks, but sometimes is the only viable option. Regardless of the reasons we're there, we belong there and are making progress. That's not hearsay, that's straight from a guy who spent 4 weeks imbedded with our troops. He said nearly everyone he spoke with were 100% behind what we're doing. The media doesn't show the positives though...they just want to bush-bash instead.
I am yet to hear anyone give a good explanation as to why those human beings deserved that type of treatment. Somebody please convince me that other human's lives aren't worth anything, regardless of their skin color, nationality, sex, anything.

 

[Witmaster]

Well, the "terrorists" in this case just wanted to protect themselves against unprovoked attacks. We were the ones who attacked a nation who did nothing to us, remember?

Yep. Pure and innocent as the wind-driven snow.

And as far as "a nation that did nothing to us"... As memory recalls it was a UNANIMOUS 15-0 United Nations Vote that required Iraq to comply with 15 resulutions that were a requirement to sustain the cease-fire agreement of the 1st Gulf War. But that's another discussion alltogether.

Yep. It makes PERFECT sense to watch your justified freedom fighters (I call them terrorists) "defend themselves" by detonating car bombs in crowded market districts filled with civillians. Brilliant strategy.

 

[Witmaster]

Anything the GOP "spin mill" doesn't put out.

LMAO! This is true!!

The GOP could release a statement claiming water is wet and the opposition would deny it.

 

[Decker]

The intelligence committee suggested that Saddam would have built a useable Nuke in 5-7 years. ...

That would be a hell of a trick since the Deulfer report concluded that Iraq stopped its nuclear programs back in 1991. http://www.lib.umich.edu/govdocs/pdf/duelfer2_c.pdf

Should we have just waited 4 1/2 to oust him? Maybe he would have had one in just 3 years? He was a threat to the US and it's allies and also directly funded terrorism.

No he wasn't a threat. See the above conclusion.

I just heard a great speaker on Father's Day talk about Iraq who spent 4 weeks in Iraq last October. His name is Chuck Holton and he was in the Army Special Forces and saw actual live combat in Panama.
There was a large man-made lake with an island in the middle of it. On that island, there were two palaces...he said they were comparable in size to the US Capital Building. They were Saddam's son's palaces, one for Uday and the other for Qusay. They didn't live in either of them, but their "women" did. Their women were hand picked by the sons themselves at random. If they liked the way a woman looked, they picked her. The women were taken to the island where they lived the rest of their short lives. The son would go into his respective palace, pick one of his young women and have sex with her...once. Immediately afterward, he would slit her throat and throw her body in the lake. When the US was looking for WMDs, over 300 naked female bodies were recovered from the lake.
If you think we shouldn't be there, you have issues. What makes you any better than those women who died for no reason? The father and both sons are now out of commission. Have US Soldiers and some Iraqi civilians died in the process? Sadly, yes...but they always do in a war. War sucks, but sometimes is the only viable option. Regardless of the reasons we're there, we belong there and are making progress. That's not hearsay, that's straight from a guy who spent 4 weeks imbedded with our troops. He said nearly everyone he spoke with were 100% behind what we're doing. The media doesn't show the positives though...they just want to bush-bash instead.
I am yet to hear anyone give a good explanation as to why those human beings deserved that type of treatment. Somebody please convince me that other human's lives aren't worth anything, regardless of their skin color, nationality, sex, anything.

Everything you just said in this last entry is hearsay. It's so muddled that I surrender. Chuck Holton is a correspondent for CBN, i.e., he's out of his fucking mind.

 

[JordanMang]

Let's just end this once and foreall.

Once Iraq is stabilized, Topolo will shoot a huge load over the entire country. Thus the beginning of a new race, and new era in the middle east.

 

[Pedigree]

That would be a hell of a trick since the Deulfer report concluded that Iraq stopped its nuclear programs back in 1991. http://www.lib.umich.edu/govdocs/pdf/duelfer2_c.pdf
No he wasn't a threat. See the above conclusion.
Everything you just said in this last entry is hearsay. It's so muddled that I surrender. Chuck Holton is a correspondent for CBN, i.e., he's out of his fucking mind.

Chuck Holton wasn't always a CBN correspondent and is perfectly sane. You say it's hearsay, so I assume you've actually been there. You haven't been? I didn't think so. He has, and had many of those types of stories that you never hear about in the US liberal media.
I saw an interview with an Iraqi woman who talked about one of the sons coming into her house, slamming her child against the wall (killing him), then shooting her husband...all because he spoke out against the Saddam regime. I guess she was going by hearsay also.
As far as the intelligence committee, they turned out to be wrong. My point is, it's all we had to go on. With that in mind, should we have waited until Iraq actually developed a weapon?

 

[Decker]

Chuck Holton wasn't always a CBN correspondent and is perfectly sane. You say it's hearsay, so I assume you've actually been there. You haven't been? I didn't think so. He has, and had many of those types of stories that you never hear about in the US liberal media.
I saw an interview with an Iraqi woman who talked about one of the sons coming into her house, slamming her child against the wall (killing him), then shooting her husband...all because he spoke out against the Saddam regime. I guess she was going by hearsay also.

Hearsay is second-hand information. I could give you the legal definition but that would not change the fact that all of your evidence is hearsay. You're (Pedigree) passing off someone else's (Holton's) statements as proof of your argument (Iraq should be invaded). That's textbook hearsay.

I use government documents, assessments, studies and expert opinion to buttress my arguments. Technically they are hearsay too, but under the federal rules of evidence, they are exceptions.

Most important of all, I am a fortified vitamin. I do not lose. Unless taken with water after a meal.

Oh shit, here we go with the liberal media...owned by 8 corporations that also happen to be defense contractors and/or are subsidized initimately by government contracts/handouts and are notorious "bottom-line" entities. That's the liberal media.

 

[GFR]

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[Witmaster]

Hearsay is second-hand information. I could give you the legal definition but that would not change the fact that all of your evidence is hearsay. You're (Pedigree) passing off someone else's (Holton's) statements as proof of your argument (Iraq should be invaded). That's textbook hearsay.

I use government documents, assessments, studies and expert opinion to buttress my arguments. Technically they are hearsay too, but under the federal rules of evidence, they are exceptions.

Most important of all, I am a fortified vitamin. I do not lose. Unless taken with water after a meal.

Oh shit, here we go with the liberal media...owned by 8 corporations that also happen to be defense contractors and/or are subsidized initimately by government contracts/handouts and are notorious "bottom-line" entities. That's the liberal media.

Well, now that we've got that clearly defined let's clear one thing up....

As a fortified vitamin, are you with or without Iron?

 

[Pedigree]

Most important of all, I am a fortified vitamin. I do not lose. Unless taken with water after a meal.

I actually laughed at that one. I seriously like that kind of attitude.
I'm not getting into an internet debate over the war. We all have our thoughts on it and won't change our minds, so it's pointless.

 

[Decker]

Well, now that we've got that clearly defined let's clear one thing up....

As a fortified vitamin, are you with or without Iron?

hahahaha.

Iron is for women. I am a Flintstones kid.

 

[Decker]

I actually laughed at that one. I seriously like that kind of attitude.
I'm not getting into an internet debate over the war. We all have our thoughts on it and won't change our minds, so it's pointless.

You know some of the past threads are pretty good concerning the Iraq war. Do a search. There are some bright people here at IM on both sides of the fence. We are openminded folks so who knows, you may change your opinion or strengthen it.

 

[Witmaster]

#9

 

[BigDyl]

True Story

 

[Dale Mabry]

LMAO! This is true!!

The GOP could release a statement claiming water is wet and the opposition would deny it.

Or they could release a statement saying shit is fine when it isn't.

Good times.

 

[CowPimp]

Yep. Pure and innocent as the wind-driven snow.

And as far as "a nation that did nothing to us"... As memory recalls it was a UNANIMOUS 15-0 United Nations Vote that required Iraq to comply with 15 resulutions that were a requirement to sustain the cease-fire agreement of the 1st Gulf War. But that's another discussion alltogether.

Yep. It makes PERFECT sense to watch your justified freedom fighters (I call them terrorists) "defend themselves" by detonating car bombs in crowded market districts filled with civillians. Brilliant strategy.

What did you expect them to do? Just bend over?

 

[CowPimp]

Also, as I said before, whatever the reasons you are coming up with now are NOT the reasons given to us by the Bush administration before invading. Bush knowingly lied in the state of the Union address regarding Iraq's connection to Niger and obtaining materials for the production of WMDs; he did so against the advice of the then head of the CIA.

 

[Dale Mabry]

Iraq's connection to Niger

RACIST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[GFR]

Iraq will be stabilized when our Sun explodes.

 

[Witmaster]

What did you expect them to do? Just bend over?

That would have simplified things, yes.

 

[Witmaster]

Also, as I said before, whatever the reasons you are coming up with now are NOT the reasons given to us by the Bush administration before invading. Bush knowingly lied in the state of the Union address regarding Iraq's connection to Niger and obtaining materials for the production of WMDs; he did so against the advice of the then head of the CIA.

The violation of the U.N. resolutions were, in fact, part of the reasons stated in President Bush's State of the Union address. This isn't something "new".

 

[Big Smoothy]

Check out the new book "Fiasco." The author has been giving interviews and talks and he's quit knowledgable.

 

[BigDyl]

The violation of the U.N. resolutions were, in fact, part of the reasons stated in President Bush's State of the Union address. This isn't something "new".

True Story, because Iraq is the only country that violated UN resolutions.


UN resolutions are important when it benefits you, and irrelevent when they don't. SON.

 

[CowPimp]

The violation of the U.N. resolutions were, in fact, part of the reasons stated in President Bush's State of the Union address. This isn't something "new".

I suppose, but the main overriding theme in the propagnda spewed about to gain support for the war were that we were certain Iraq had WMDs and they had a connection to Al Queda, both completely fabricated.

 

[lnvanry]

Check out the new book "Fiasco." The author has been giving interviews and talks and he's quit knowledgable.

I heard him on NPR Chicago Monday morning...He seemed OK.

He didn't say anything I haven't heard 5x though.

 

[911=InsideJob]

and the oil is pumping at full capacity/effeciency into the US markets, making alot of americans money, do you think everyone will shut up about the war, and just pocket the money (even those who are anti-war) ?

i think once this does happen and propels our economy into the next decade and beyond, no one is going to be complaining, and Bush will be seen as a hero.

No because this administration finalized plans to go to war with Iran already.

 

[lnvanry]

No because this administration finalized plans to go to war with Iran already.

good