One Thing About Drugs I'm Tired of Seeing

[bigbenj]

Let me start this off by saying this isn't a diss on anyone personally or anyone's beliefs.

The thing I see every time someone makes a big change to their physique is the question "what would you attribute most of your success to?". The person being asked will usually respond with "diet". That's completely fine as diet is a big key, but then they go on to say drugs are a small part of the equation. A lot say something like only 10% of it is drugs? Which leads me to ask this....

Are you joking me? I won't take away from anyone's hard work, there's no denying that it takes hard work to achieve something great, but please don't disrespect the drugs like that. Give credit where it's due.

Ask that user if they think they could have made those same drastic changes in 10-12 weeks naturally. The answer 99 times out of 100 is "no", and it's because of the drugs. Why do natural bodybuilders need a month of two longer for contest prep than an enhanced user? Drugs. Why did Joe Schmoe gym rat jump ten steps ahead of most of the guys in the gym in a couple of months? Drugs.

Can you get great results naturally? Of course. Can you get those great results in half the time? Yes, and it's because of drugs. I'm tired of hearing "diet is the biggest part, the drugs are a tiny portion". So that test, tren, mast, var, gh, and slin meant nothing? You could have achieved something similar with your diet in that same amount of time? No, no you couldn't.

This is not to say diet isn't a factor, this is to say people need to give more credit where it is due.

Just some food for thought.

 

[KILLEROFSAINTS]

i really think you like making threads

 

[MakeItMethylated]

Yeah I totally agree the drugs gotta be 50% or more haha

 

[Crunk]

Agreed. I hate it when people try to act like their gains were 100% natural when I know from an inside source exactly what they are taking and how much of it. I have no problem with them using gear and seeing fantastic results, but come on... you don't gain that much lean mass in 6 weeks naturally. I don't care what your "diet" looks like. You're using. Admit it and the knowledgeable ones will still respect their hard work.

 

[KILLEROFSAINTS]

you are guys are dummies


my hero heavy iron said it isnt test,tren,deca,eq,slin,clen,t3,ais or creatine


its the cardio

 

[Noheawaiian]

^^^maybe that's what you've been doing wrong...

 

[bigbenj]

i really think you like making threads

Maybe a little hana

Yeah I totally agree the drugs gotta be 50% or more haha

I won't put a % on it, but it's sure as shit isn't 10%.

Agreed. I hate it when people try to act like their gains were 100% natural when I know from an inside source exactly what they are taking and how much of it. I have no problem with them using gear and seeing fantastic results, but come on... you don't gain that much lean mass in 6 weeks naturally. I don't care what your "diet" looks like. You're using. Admit it and the knowledgeable ones will still respect their hard work.

Agreed. I'm not taking away from anyone's hard work, or putting down AAS sure, as I use myself, just pointing things out. Agree with you 100.

 

[KILLEROFSAINTS]

^^^maybe that's what you've been doing wrong...

very true...when i was younger everyone played football and basketball all the time...that was fun cardio...being grown up doing structured cardio sucks

 

[bobbyboy]

Interesting topic.

I think you have to take into consideration how many different compounds a person is running. How much of your success can you attribute to drugs? There is no one right answer to that. We don't all run the same drugs and or dosages. I give plenty of credit to the gear I run. That being said I don't ever run more than two compounds at a time and I have never ran more than 600mg/week of Test. I can say for certain that if my diet isn't in check and I'm not putting in some pretty good work at the gym, I don't gain lean mass no matter what I take.

To be completely honest, I don't like trying to choose one aspect over the other. I think they all matter the same. You have to eat right, eat enough, work your ass off, and run the right drugs, dosages.....So final answer if I had to put a number on it, 33.3%.

 

[suprfast]

It is drugs. I had a hard time losing weight and once I started meth the weight just poured off. I also hated going to the dentist and now I dont have to.

 

[bigbenj]

It is drugs. I had a hard time losing weight and once I started meth the weight just poured off. I also hated going to the dentist and now I dont have to.

See kids...drugs are the answer

 

[heavyiron]

For me diet and training is more than 50% of the equation. I never go off steroids these days. In my before pics I was on aas both times. I have run MASSIVE doses and combinations while giving diet and cardio a back seat and I hold plenty of mass but it is usually covered in fat.

KOS is another example. No amount of drugs will change his physique. Now if KOS gets on a diet plan that is monitored daily and follows a specific training regime he would likely look like a bodybuilder in 3-4 months. Obviously he would need the aas to make the changes in the time frame but its pretty hard to screw up the drug part of the equation. Any numbskull can shoot 600mg a week.

Now certain drugs and combinations work better than others so a guy can make better changes with certain drugs but without the strict dieting and training there is only so much a guy can do.

I don't like eating 6 heavy protein meals a day and doing cardio 10 times per week on top of weight training and neither do most guys. Its why few look like bodybuilders. ANYBODY can shoot a syringe full of oil and pop pills but many of those guys look like a bloated mess. Kind of like my before photos =)

Anyway, not sure how to quantify how much is drugs but I would say its about 30-35% of the equation for the average guy.

Here is how I look at it in order of priority;

1. Genetics
2. Nutrition
3. Training
4. AAS
5. Recovery

#1 you can't do much about but dial in the rest and the sky is the limit.

 

[antonoverlord]

you are guys are dummies


my hero heavy iron said it isnt test,tren,deca,eq,slin,clen,t3,ais or creatine


its the cardio

if its not the test tren deca eq slin clen t3 ais or creating then y does he use it, was this sarcasm kos if so im laughing if not come on lets get real here if its not this then fuck wasting money on all this shit and jusst hire a full time nutritionist

 

[bigbenj]

Quit hijacking my thread with your sensibility! This thread is for lazy people who don't want to do work!

 

[antonoverlord]

For me diet and training is more than 50% of the equation. I never go off steroids these days. In my before pics I was on aas both times. I have run MASSIVE doses and combinations while giving diet and cardio a back seat and I hold plenty of mass but it is usually covered in fat.

KOS is another example. No amount of drugs will change his physique. Now if KOS gets on a diet plan that is monitored daily and follows a specific training regime he would likely look like a bodybuilder in 3-4 months. Obviously he would need the aas to make the changes in the time frame but its pretty hard to screw up the drug part of the equation. Any numbskull can shoot 600mg a week.

Now certain drugs and combinations work better than others so a guy can make better changes with certain drugs but without the strict dieting and training there is only so much a guy can do.

I don't like eating 6 heavy protein meals a day and doing cardio 10 times per week on top of weight training and neither do most guys. Its why few look like bodybuilders. ANYBODY can shoot a syringe full of oil and pop pills but many of those guys look like a bloated mess. Kind of like my before photos =)

Anyway, not sure how to quantify how much is drugs but I would say its about 30-35% of the equation for the average guy.

Here is how I look at it in order of priority;

1. Genetics
2. Nutrition
3. Training
4. AAS
5. Recovery

#1 you can't do much about but dial in the rest and the sky is the limit.

c i can handle this 30-35% cause yes if u dont have ur nutrition or exercise then the drugs will just make u fat but with proper diet and exercise and drugs u way excedded ur capabilities as just proper diet and exercise

 

[Vibrant]

IMHO drugs just enhance the hard work you put in, making your training and diet more efficient.

 

[KILLEROFSAINTS]

For me diet and training is more than 50% of the equation. I never go off steroids these days. In my before pics I was on aas both times. I have run MASSIVE doses and combinations while giving diet and cardio a back seat and I hold plenty of mass but it is usually covered in fat.

KOS is another example. No amount of drugs will change his physique. Now if KOS gets on a diet plan that is monitored daily and follows a specific training regime he would likely look like a bodybuilder in 3-4 months. Obviously he would need the aas to make the changes in the time frame but its pretty hard to screw up the drug part of the equation. Any numbskull can shoot 600mg a week.

Now certain drugs and combinations work better than others so a guy can make better changes with certain drugs but without the strict dieting and training there is only so much a guy can do.

I don't like eating 6 heavy protein meals a day and doing cardio 10 times per week on top of weight training and neither do most guys. Its why few look like bodybuilders. ANYBODY can shoot a syringe full of oil and pop pills but many of those guys look like a bloated mess. Kind of like my before photos =)

Anyway, not sure how to quantify how much is drugs but I would say its about 30-35% of the equation for the average guy.

Here is how I look at it in order of priority;

1. Genetics
2. Nutrition
3. Training
4. AAS
5. Recovery

#1 you can't do much about but dial in the rest and the sky is the limit.

i think the list is pretty accurate

but that kos dude could never look like a bber

 

[antonoverlord]

IMHO drugs just enhance the hard work you put in, making your training and diet more efficient.

agree completely

 

[KILLEROFSAINTS]

if its not the test tren deca eq slin clen t3 ais or creating then y does he use it, was this sarcasm kos if so im laughing if not come on lets get real here if its not this then fuck wasting money on all this shit and jusst hire a full time nutritionist

you silly bbers dont need drugs....they are just sado masochist who like sticking needles in there ass every 12 hours

 

[antonoverlord]

that i do it hurts so good

 

[sofargone561]

i get random erections. fuck wit me

 

[Noheawaiian]

very true...when i was younger everyone played football and basketball all the time...that was fun cardio...being grown up doing structured cardio sucks

It depends on what kind of cardio you're doing. I have no problem walking/jogging on a treadmill for an hour or two. But hard running kills me

 

[sofargone561]

It depends on what kind of cardio you're doing. I have no problem walking/jogging on a treadmill for an hour or two. But hard running kills me

exactly. i love the bike. i push myself to drop time its compedative. i force myself to higher levels. faster time hills the whole 9

 

[PappyMason]

cocaine is a hell of a drug

 

[BP2000]

For me diet and training is more than 50% of the equation. I never go off steroids these days. In my before pics I was on aas both times. I have run MASSIVE doses and combinations while giving diet and cardio a back seat and I hold plenty of mass but it is usually covered in fat.



Now certain drugs and combinations work better than others so a guy can make better changes with certain drugs but without the strict dieting and training there is only so much a guy can do.

I don't like eating 6 heavy protein meals a day and doing cardio 10 times per week on top of weight training and neither do most guys. Its why few look like bodybuilders. ANYBODY can shoot a syringe full of oil and pop pills but many of those guys look like a bloated mess. Kind of like my before photos =)

Anyway, not sure how to quantify how much is drugs but I would say its about 30-35% of the equation for the average guy.

Here is how I look at it in order of priority;

1. Genetics
2. Nutrition
3. Training
4. AAS
5. Recovery

#1 you can't do much about but dial in the rest and the sky is the limit.

AAS enhances all your category's. Nutrition - taking test by itself you will lose fat and gain lean mass if no change to nutrition or training. This is a fact especially if you are over 30. There are scientific studies to back this up. It will also increase protein synthesis by alot and reduce fat at a faster rate than natural by increasing metabolism, etc. etc.

Training, AAS gives you more energy/aggression and thus increases intensity in the gym.

Recovery, higher test levels you can recover from a grueling workout a lot faster than normal level's. Also you can workout harder/longer without the fatigue a normal person would suffer.

I will even say AAS will enhance genetic's. Just look at Flex Wheeler. There are vids of him on You Tube now training natural. He was a monster on AAS and now he is big but not huge like he used to be.

 

[BP2000]

i get random erections. fuck wit me

tuck it in son

 

[sofargone561]

tuck it in son

fucking gear bro!

 

[bigbenj]

For me diet and training is more than 50% of the equation. I never go off steroids these days. In my before pics I was on aas both times. I have run MASSIVE doses and combinations while giving diet and cardio a back seat and I hold plenty of mass but it is usually covered in fat.

KOS is another example. No amount of drugs will change his physique. Now if KOS gets on a diet plan that is monitored daily and follows a specific training regime he would likely look like a bodybuilder in 3-4 months. Obviously he would need the aas to make the changes in the time frame but its pretty hard to screw up the drug part of the equation. Any numbskull can shoot 600mg a week.

Now certain drugs and combinations work better than others so a guy can make better changes with certain drugs but without the strict dieting and training there is only so much a guy can do.

I don't like eating 6 heavy protein meals a day and doing cardio 10 times per week on top of weight training and neither do most guys. Its why few look like bodybuilders. ANYBODY can shoot a syringe full of oil and pop pills but many of those guys look like a bloated mess. Kind of like my before photos =)

Anyway, not sure how to quantify how much is drugs but I would say its about 30-35% of the equation for the average guy.

Here is how I look at it in order of priority;

1. Genetics
2. Nutrition
3. Training
4. AAS
5. Recovery

#1 you can't do much about but dial in the rest and the sky is the limit.

Big true! Honest post!

 

[heavyiron]

AAS enhances all your category's. Nutrition - taking test by itself you will lose fat and gain lean mass if no change to nutrition or training. This is a fact especially if you are over 30. There are scientific studies to back this up. It will also increase protein synthesis by alot and reduce fat at a faster rate than natural by increasing metabolism, etc. etc.

Training, AAS gives you more energy/aggression and thus increases intensity in the gym.

Recovery, higher test levels you can recover from a grueling workout a lot faster than normal level's. Also you can workout harder/longer without the fatigue a normal person would suffer.

I will even say AAS will enhance genetic's. Just look at Flex Wheeler. There are vids of him on You Tube now training natural. He was a monster on AAS and now he is big but not huge like he used to be.

Yes, Testosterone does enhance many areas however you still have to put in the work at the gym and the dinner table to make fast dramatic changes. That was more my point.

Btw, the landmark study on men and T was done on guys who were put on a standardized diet. Various follow up studies were based on this original data.

 

[BP2000]

fucking gear bro!

u get random boner like in High school?

teacher: billy can you get up and show the class how to solve the problem?

billy: uhh can't right now, forgot to do the homework