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What are the chances of getting gyno from pro hormones?I read that if you get the symptems during a cycle you have to use nolvadex.6 oxo and other products will only balance your system not get rid of gyno if you get it.Is this true?what are the chances of getting gyno?I would think with real gear you would have a much better chance.Thanks

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Depends how much your taking, and what your taking. Some compounds don't aromatize so it will not lead to gyno I believe.

Here are some studies, personally it does not seem worth it, I have heard bad things, to the idea of that it had the same side effects of gear, cept without as many of the benefits.

Oral andro-related prohormone supplementation: do the potential risks outweigh the benefits?

Broeder CE.

James H. Quillen College of Medicine, East Tennessee State University, Johnson City, TN, USA.

Androstenedione, 4-androstenediol, 5-androstenediol, 19-norandrostenediol and 19-norandrostenedione are commonly referred to as "Andro" prohormones. Over the last few years, supplementation using these prohormones has been aggressively marketed to the general public. Supplement manufacturers often claim that Andro use improves serum testosterone concentrations, increases muscular strength and muscle mass, helps to reduce body fatness, enhances mood, and improves sexual performance. However, to date, most studies contradict these claims. In contrast, several studies using oral Andro related prohormones show that Andro use can abnormally elevate estrogen related hormones as well as alterations in hormonal markers (i.e., abnormal elevations in serum estrogen) thought to increase a person's risk for developing prostate or pancreatic cancers.


Can J Appl Physiol. 2002 Dec;27(6):628-46. Related Articles, Links


Effects of prohormone supplementation in humans: a review.

Ziegenfuss TN, Berardi JM, Lowery LM.

Pinnacle Institute of Health and Human Performance, Wadsworth, OH, USA.

Despite a relative dearth of information on their effects, supplementation with prohormones has become a popular practice. Unlike synthetic anabolic-androgenic steroids, many of these over-the-counter androgens are produced endogenously by adrenal, gonadal and peripheral steroidogenic pathways as part of the normal sexual and reproductive hormonal milieu. It has been contended that peripheral enzymatic conversion of these prohormones to testosterone or nortestosterone (via ingestion of androstenedione/androstenediol or 19-nor-androstenedione/androstenediol, respectively) might lead to anabolic and/or ergogenic effects. Existing data suggest that acute oral ingestion of >or=200 mg androstenedione or androstenediol modestly and transiently increases serum testosterone concentrations in men; however, this is accompanied by greater increases in circulating estrogen(s). At doses < 300 mg/d, oral supplementation for as long as 12-weeks with androstenedione or androstenediol has no effect on body composition or physical performance and decreases high-density lipoprotein cholesterol. Similarly, oral supplementation with norandrostenedione and norandrostenediol for up to eight weeks has no effect on body composition or physical performance. In light of these data, new products have been developed that use alternative modes of prohormone administration (sublingual/transbuccal and cyclodextrin-complexation). Future studies should critically examine the effects of these approaches. However, within the framework of the research reviewed, over-the-counter oral prohormone supplementation is ineffective at increasing muscle mass or athletic performance. As a result of the potential health concerns that have been raised, the risk to benefit ratio of using these substances orally seems unfavorable.
 
Originally posted by goldenthree

Existing data suggest that acute oral ingestion of >or=200 mg androstenedione or androstenediol modestly and transiently increases serum testosterone concentrations in men; however, this is accompanied by greater increases in circulating estrogen(s). At doses < 300 mg/d, oral supplementation for as long as 12-weeks with androstenedione or androstenediol has no effect on body composition or physical performance and decreases high-density lipoprotein cholesterol.

Having just completed a 4 week 1-AD cycle, I can say this statement is pure BS, unless you consider a 8 lb LBW gain, 4-1/2 lb fat loss, with a 20 lb increase in bench press max a modest gain. Also 1-AD does not aromatize to estrogen (4-AD does).
 
Old dione products do represent a risk. I would not take old andro products. So does 5AA-it is a direct precursor to DHT. Stay away from it. 4/ad does represent a very small chance, but if cycled properly and post cycle is quick to restore t-levels, you should not have much of a problem. Even though 1-test or 1-ad does not convert directly, some of the test that is converted can. And also with suppressed t-levels at end of cycle estrogen levels are way higher which is not good.
 
I'd stay away from Nor products as well, if gyno is a concern.
 
FYI, Xtreme makes an anti-gyno product called Prevent.
 
Originally posted by topolo
what are your results?
No results yet.I will be starting on saturday.I have vpx syngex 1 and 2 120cc of each.I also have a supply of aromadex for off cycle.I have been taking saw palmetto and v12 for the last week.I just did some reading on gyno and thought shit I dont want that.LOL I think it will be just fine though.Thanks for all the replies
 
aromadex taste fukin horrible:barf: ...hold your nose when u take it..your gonne prolly need more than 120 tho
 
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