PCT for low endogenous testosterone

[siriuxs]

Hi, I'm italian boy, so excuse me for bad english.


I'm 29 years old, 170cm, 62kg. I while ago I did a cycle with small doses of test-e (max 200mg/week) and Deca (max 200mg/week). After this cycle I did a PCT with only Nolvadex (max 40mg/week) and proviron, but after a few months, I still have a low production of testosterone. So, now, I want use another PCT to increase my testosterone...


The PCT that I would follow is this:


Week 1-3: Nolvadex 40mg + HCG 500ui + Arimidex 0.5mg
Week 4-5: Nolvadex 20mg + Proviron 50mg + Arimidex 0.5mg
Week 6: Nolvadex 10mg + Proviron 50mg


What do you think? Thanks!

 

[NoviceAAS]

I like HCG a lot and use it frequently, but I would not use it here. If I were you Id run Clomid and Nolvadex at 100mg /40mg for 2 weeks, then 50/20 mg for 2 weeks.


The nolva is going to block estrogen but not control it, the clomid will stimulate the testes without risk of conversion. And Proviron is very arguable during PCT because although its known to free up bound test, it can also be mildly supressive, which you do not want at this time

 

[NoviceAAS]

Also do you happen to know if your natural test production was low before you did your first cycle ?

 

[siriuxs]

I like HCG a lot and use it frequently, but I would not use it here. If I were you Id run Clomid and Nolvadex at 100mg /40mg for 2 weeks, then 50/20 mg for 2 weeks.


The nolva is going to block estrogen but not control it, the clomid will stimulate the testes without risk of conversion. And Proviron is very arguable during PCT because although its known to free up bound test, it can also be mildly supressive, which you do not want at this time

In my first PCT I only used the nolvadex, with no results.

Also do you happen to know if your natural test production was low before you did your first cycle ?

Before my first cycle, my natural test production was normal. Not high, but normal... Now it's too low... My testicles seem smaller, and I have little desire to have sex...

 

[NoviceAAS]

Well the nolva wont deliver results that you'll notice, it simply binds to estrogen . What you are looking to do is stimulate the testes and get the LH system in your body working again. Thats why the clomid will help you. Its a fertility drug males take who have low sperm count. It stimulates the feedback loop and will help get your LH levels back on track.

See this is why HCG is good on cycle and while you are taking your AI. HCG will fight testicular atrophy, however is does have a conversion to estrogen , thats why you need an AI while using HCG. Also please dont use HCG at the same time as Clomid, they do similar things, but when used together they tend to cancel each other out.

Your cycle was also wrong, you should have been using double the amount of test as deca, and with deca you should have been using something to control prolactin. But whats done is done, its time to get you fixed up.
How long ago did this light cycle of test and deca end ? What are your Estradiol levels ? What are your Leutenizing Hormone levels ? What is your prolactin level ?

 

[malfeasance]

Deca (max 200mg/week).

That is your problem, right there. I ran Deca at 300 mg a week, and I had a terrible recovery, just awful. It took many months to return to normal.

Deca feels great when taking it, but it stays in your system suppressing testosterone forever. No PCT is going to matter when Deca is still in your system.

I was actually still gaining weight and strength during PCT. I thought I was recovering very well. The crash happened for me about a month AFTER PCT.

I say just wait. Then wait some more. Have patience.

I returned to normal eventually. You will, too.

 

[siriuxs]

That is your problem, right there. I ran Deca at 300 mg a week, and I had a terrible recovery, just awful. It took many months to return to normal.

Deca feels great when taking it, but it stays in your system suppressing testosterone forever. No PCT is going to matter when Deca is still in your system.

I was actually still gaining weight and strength during PCT. I thought I was recovering very well. The crash happened for me about a month AFTER PCT.

I say just wait. Then wait some more. Have patience.

I returned to normal eventually. You will, too.

Thanks for your support!