Yea just young dumb wanting to jump the gun, some guys do get results but they don't know shit about dieting or training properly and only getting results from taking high amounts of AAS.
the guy i mention never really trained some guy at work said to him "oi bro i'm takin roids it's sick" so he did put on some size trained like an animal ate shit all just had protien shakes, got off no PCT didn't even know what thats was probably went to gym once said "fuck this is too hard now and i'm massive" so didn't go back 6 months down the track asked me for a cycle
I said what for you don't even train
kept bugging me about it so i gave em to him worked out for one week before jumping on second cycle and his doing tren in fact all his mates are one even on his first doing tren.
I tried to explain shit to him but he knows better and tren is the best.