before you began the cycle, did you think you would gain more, less or about what you did?
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Well, my goal was to gain and keep 15 lbs. of LBM, and I have gained it. As long as I keep it through PCT, I've got what I was looking for. I didn't really know what to expect as far as size, strength, and weight go, but I am not disappointed in those areas overall. The only real problem I have had is an unpredictable libido. Sometimes I'm horny and hard all day, sometimes I can't cum etc...I know everyone is tired of hearing it. I'm just saying that that was the only thing that was unexpected. I'm very much looking forward to having normal sexual function/desire, but I'm also looking forward to my next cycle in the Fall. I aim to put on another 15 lbs of LBM then, though I doubt I'll gain and keep that much again from one cycle. I'll be doing: Test E 500, Deca 400, and D-bol 25. I'll train more for mass than strength, as well.
What is your full planned pct stack?
Nolva for 5 weeks starting at 60mg, ending with 20mg.
HMB 3.5 grams twice daily.
BCAAs and Glutamine at various times.
Milk Thistle (already using it now)
Clen for the first two weeks
Lots of carbs/frequent eating
About 4000 calories on off days and 4500 on workout days
NO CARDIO for 4 weeks then slowy incorporate.
I'm probably forgetting something, but that is the base of it.
There is also the standard supps like green tea, ALCAR, multi-v, vit c, vit e, fish oil, glucsomine/C etc.
Took my last shot of HCG yesterday at 400 iu. My balls feel as dense as a pair of rocks. I'm having some lethargy, but it helps me sleep at night. I suppose this is due to decreasing test, the 1-T, and my body becoming used to the T3. I'm going to be real tired when the T3 is gone.
HMB 3.5 grams twice daily.
BCAAs and Glutamine at various times.
Milk Thistle (already using it now)
Clen for the first two weeks
Lots of carbs/frequent eating
About 4000 calories on off days and 4500 on workout days
NO CARDIO for 4 weeks then slowy incorporate.
I'm probably forgetting something, but that is the base of it.
There is also the standard supps like green tea, ALCAR, multi-v, vit c, vit e, fish oil, glucsomine/C etc.
Took my last shot of HCG yesterday at 400 iu. My balls feel as dense as a pair of rocks. I'm having some lethargy, but it helps me sleep at night. I suppose this is due to decreasing test, the 1-T, and my body becoming used to the T3. I'm going to be real tired when the T3 is gone.
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I'm also going to sip on a sugar drink like Gatorade while lifting during pct.
Today is leg/bi/forearm day, and I am expecting a good workout. I think I've been getting a fair amount of test from the HCG conversion. Still feelin' great.
Today is leg/bi/forearm day, and I am expecting a good workout. I think I've been getting a fair amount of test from the HCG conversion. Still feelin' great.
Workout went great. Man, my legs are growing. I got my computer back from the shop, and windows was restored, so I lost my before pics. I posted a pic in my gallery from spring last year for reference.
damn bro, you have blown upPirateFromHell said:
My workout today was not so good, just because I was distracted--especially after I broke my mp3 player and had to listen to that horrible pop music. Almost wrecked my bike getting to the gym in back a number of times, as well. I'm looking forward to taking a week off. Having my test levels slowly decline is making prop seem like a better choice in the future. I'm down to 177 lbs. Tomorrow is an off day, and I'll do short/intense/heavy lifting over the weekend, and take next week off. I finish the 1-T tomorrow, too.
I haven't started it yet, other then a sample a few days ago to see how easy it would be to swallow the powder after dumping a heaping tsp in my mouth. I was just thinking I should start it now. However, it will be impossible to determine how much it helps while on pct. I've got a kilo of Citrulline Malate on the way as well.Luke8395 said:
Argh, I must have done too much HCG. Fucking test and aggrevation is way too high. I've just about been having an anxiety attack all day. Everything pisses me off real bad. On top of that, I had the onset of gyno in the middle of school--even though I've been taking 30 mg tamoxifen citrate powder ed. Damn HCG takes a few days to kick in. I've upped my nolva to 120 mg today, and I think I'll keep it there for about a week, then go down to 60 mg/day. I'm a fucking mess--just looking for more things to be angry about. Not good. I don't let is show, though.
Luke8395 said:
There is some evidence in untrained individuals that HMB possesses some anti-catabolic properties (i.e., prevents muscle breakdown). Since research is still very limited on this supplement and there is some promise in certain populations, HMB was put to the test in a more unique population: highly trained competitive athletes. The theory was that because this caliber of athlete often participates in high-volume, high-intensity training, if a product could enhance recovery and act as an anticatabolic agent, it would be very useful.
Twenty-six NCAA DIII football players from various field positions were involved in this single blind experiment. Players were randomly assigned to either 3 g HMB or placebo. The researchers tested the players before and after 10 days of preseason training. Various blood measures were taken, including testosterone and cortisol levels (anabolic and catabolic hormones, respectively) and performance measures were completed too. Finally, questionnaires asking about intensity, soreness and fatigue were completed by the athletes.
Over the 10-day period, subjects participated in 19 practices and 3 resistance training sessions. There were no significant changes in levels of intensity, soreness, or fatigue. There were also no significant differences in the hormone levels measured between groups. In addition, there were no significant differences in any of the performance measurements completed.
This study does not support the use of HMB for its purported anticatabolic or improved strength gain claims.
I have read that you need to take at least 5g ED to get the results that it claims.
Sorry to hear about all the troubles, Pirate. I hope everything evens out for you.
Sorry to hear about all the troubles, Pirate. I hope everything evens out for you.
Yeah, there are a lot of studies that suggest the same thing. There is no doubt that 3g/day won't do anything. I wouldn't expect it to affect test or cortisol at all. I don't know why they would monitor that. Insulin is one of the most anabolic hormones. keeping insulin levels up is much more important than taking an anti-catabolic supplement.
BTW, 20 mg diazepam later, I'm doing much better than my previous post.
BTW, 20 mg diazepam later, I'm doing much better than my previous post.
I'm as normal as I have been in a long time today. It feels as if the cycle just come to an abrupt stop overnight. I quit taking T3, starting taking HMB, and today I used Citrulline Malate for the first time. Awesome stuff. I didn't get the pumps, but with the CEE, the energy, recovery between sets, and endurance is great. My gyno symptoms carried into today, but subsided after I took another 120 mg nolva and four drops of femera. Even with the great endurance/atp supps, the workout today felt normal. No more joyous testosterone rage workouts. I'm sure it will only get worse for the next couple weeks. I'm considering not going to the gym for a week from today. In the meantime, I will take clen and eat about 4000 calories spread over 7 meals. I'm still sitting on the fence, though, as I originally planned on starting my off week on Monday.
Call me a retard... but what is that?PirateFromHell said:
It's valium.
I am 28 years old.P-funk said:
I decided to begin pct today, 14 days after my last shot. I dropped 3 lbs since yesterday, which I expected after taking a bit of femera. So, I am at 175. I'll be taking a week off from the gym starting today, and will foucus on my diet. This is the plan for my diet:
Meals 1,2,&3:
Protein = 56 g
Carbs = 84g
Meals 4 & 5:
Protein = 45 g
Carbs = 67 g
Midnight Protein Bar:
Protein = 24 g
Carbs = 39 g
Total fat will be around 110-130 g/day
So, roughly a 4,000 calorie/day diet. With absolutely now exercise this week, this should be plenty of food. I'll likely step it up 500 calories when I get back in the gym next weekend.
What is the theory behind taking a week off at the start of PCT? The way I see it the first three weeks or so are when you are most vulnerable to muscle atrophy. For me at least the strength lost during that week would be all but impossible to recover quickly. What I have always done is just continue to train but follow a reduced volume strength routine.
It would probably be better to take the second week of pct off instead. The vulnerabiliy to muscle atrophy is due in some part to the increase in catabolism while your hormones are out of wack (i.e. low test/high cortisol etc). I think during pct is a great time to take a week off, and let my body recover. With my diet up, getting plenty of sleep, and being well below my genetic potential, I don't see why I would lose any more strength or mass than if I went to the gym. My connective tissue needs to recover as well. I've had significant strength increases, and thankfully no injuries. When I return to the gym next weekend, I'll start with the same weight and low volume and very gradually work the volume back up.
Damn clen cramped up my left glute during sex so bad I had to call it quits. I started taking Potassium Gluconate yesterday, and it gave me horrible diarrhea for most of the day--and other GI distress. I guess I'll stick with bananas. I'm losing water, and my pants fit again.
Hope you get everything kicked back into gear soon.
Down to 175.5, but it is just water. I'm eating plenty. The caffeine and gugglesterones help with energy. Anxiety has gone way down in the last week dispite very stressful situations in my life--getting my ass kicked in college! I pretty much feel as normal as I have in a long time. That includes libido. I bet I will be sore when I get back to the gym. Damn nolva is growing mountains of acne on my forehead.
