Re: Re: Re: Post cycle: Prohormones!
Originally posted by gopro
Don't ask me about studies CHICKEN DADDY...oops sorry. All of my knowledge comes from a combination of book research and personal experimentation and field studies. There is not alot of real studies available on pro hormone use, but they work very similar to steroids and have many of the same effects (albeit to a lesser degree). I am relying on my knowledge of anatomy/physiology/kinesiology here among other things.
Yes, but there are plenty of studies to which one can extrapolate such information. Specifically there should be studies that (i) show that PHs or AAS raise cortisol level post cycle if that is in fact true, (ii) that the supps you recommend at the doses you recommend effectively lower cortisol level.
If this is established than one can extrapolate that these supps at these doses MIGHT be an effective post cycle remedy. Other than "general knowledge" where are you getting this from if not studies?
Further, you are saying that you have seen a significant number of people who have used PHs and not used these supps post cycle and compared that to people that have used them in these doses? And further that you have been able to notice a difference to a siginificant degree?
Originally posted by gopro
Assuming these supps work, and they do, again my recommendations on dosages come about the same way Patrick Arnolds info comes from...years of research, experimentation, and trial and error.
Partick always sites studies. Often he extrapolates from them, like in my example above, but he always has a source. Further he has studies conducted as well to determine if his extrapolations are appropo. You aren't really comparing where you get your knowledge from to where Patrick does?
Originally posted by gopro These guys don't recommend this stuff because they don't sell it. They are businessmen FIRST.
First, one of them is actually a friend. Second, don't you think it is in their best interest to recommend ways to keep your gains? OF COURSE. That makes good business sense. If you don't keep your gains you won't keep buying there products. Logic.
If not, why to they recommend things like diet, training volume etc. Besides, for example, Par Deus, frequently recommends products he does not sell as excellent post cycle tools. Sorry, this logical point doesn't stand up.
Originally posted by gopro Using my strategy you will not need to lower your training volume post cycle.
That seems kind of silly. When taking PHs or AAS you are supposed to increase your training volume. At the very least you should decrease back to where you were when going off. But for a few weeks it seems best to reduce volume even further.
In order for your statement to be true, since you have no evidence, you would have now had to see a significant number of people use PHs and use these supps post cycle and many reduce volume and many keep volume the same and you would have had enough people so that you can determine that decreasing volume produced no benefits. I have trouble believing that that is in fact true.
Originally posted by gopro Tribex DOES raise testosterone levels. Tribulis raises LH levels which in turn signals the body to raise test levels.
The only way you can know this is by citing a study or personally have take blood readings before and after administration of enough people to conclude this.
GoPro, I am not saying that you are wrong, I am simply saying that you are making very bold statements ("this works", not "this should/might" work) and very specific statements (regarding products and doses) that you seem not to have any authority for. You see, as a lawyer, you can't say anything with credibility w/o having authority. So, since I have not seen these recommendations (expensive ones at that) I'd like to know the basis for them.
Sincerely,
TP
