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Good Things About Christianity and Christians
Compiled by Scott, edited by N.
A society with a screwed up morality is better than one with no morality at all.
The Bible has some OK stories in it, including some cool pagan legends that might have been lost otherwise.
Some music scholars say that the best thing that ever happened to music was the combination of African rhythms and Western music produced by the teaching of Christian hymns to African slaves by Christian masters.
Christianity is a fairly effective morality for the real losers in society who will never be anything but the poor and meek. With Christianity, they can at least sort of feel OK about themselves.
Jesus' greatest contribution to political power tactics, the Surrender Tactic, has kept many minority groups from being squashed (for instance, in the United States and India).
At least they have some sort of convictions instead of being apathetic blobs.
Several religious holidays giving us some time off work/school
Compiled by Scott, edited by N.
A society with a screwed up morality is better than one with no morality at all.
The Bible has some OK stories in it, including some cool pagan legends that might have been lost otherwise.
Some music scholars say that the best thing that ever happened to music was the combination of African rhythms and Western music produced by the teaching of Christian hymns to African slaves by Christian masters.
Christianity is a fairly effective morality for the real losers in society who will never be anything but the poor and meek. With Christianity, they can at least sort of feel OK about themselves.
Jesus' greatest contribution to political power tactics, the Surrender Tactic, has kept many minority groups from being squashed (for instance, in the United States and India).
At least they have some sort of convictions instead of being apathetic blobs.
Several religious holidays giving us some time off work/school
God doesn't like gay people... Isn't God mean?
Leviticus 20:13
If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood [shall be] upon them.
Romans 1:26, 27, where Paul indicates that the laws against homosexuality apply to lesbians, too:
For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.
These are just two of the statements in the Bible that point to that fact that you must ignore great amounts of Christian text and theology in order to be a gay man or a lesbian and also a Christian. The fundamental theological concept here is that to be sexually involved with another person, the purpose must be holy (i.e., procreative) and not lustful (i.e., for fun). Gay or lesbian sex is never procreative. My advice to those of you who enjoy touching another person's body and would like to do it again in the future, free of guilt, is to change religions to one that embraces your sexuality whether you are gay, straight, bisexual, transexual, vibrosexual, vegesexual, or whatever.
"If God had a stomach, He would vomit at the sight of these vices." -- Carmen, star of the Trinity Broadcasting Network show "Time 2", comments on homosexuality.
"Our body is the temple of the Holy Ghost. It is not an amusement park" -- some old guy on the same show as the above quote.
Leviticus 20:13
If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood [shall be] upon them.
Romans 1:26, 27, where Paul indicates that the laws against homosexuality apply to lesbians, too:
For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.
These are just two of the statements in the Bible that point to that fact that you must ignore great amounts of Christian text and theology in order to be a gay man or a lesbian and also a Christian. The fundamental theological concept here is that to be sexually involved with another person, the purpose must be holy (i.e., procreative) and not lustful (i.e., for fun). Gay or lesbian sex is never procreative. My advice to those of you who enjoy touching another person's body and would like to do it again in the future, free of guilt, is to change religions to one that embraces your sexuality whether you are gay, straight, bisexual, transexual, vibrosexual, vegesexual, or whatever.
"If God had a stomach, He would vomit at the sight of these vices." -- Carmen, star of the Trinity Broadcasting Network show "Time 2", comments on homosexuality.
"Our body is the temple of the Holy Ghost. It is not an amusement park" -- some old guy on the same show as the above quote.
Two-faced ideology.
They say "Thou shall not kill" but that only includes people who are Christians. Followers of Moses had no problem murdering whole cities (including pregnant women--its in the Bible) of non-Christians and the same goes for modern day Christians. I'll be putting up an internet memorial to the victims of Christian atrocities later on, but the numbers are staggering...in the Bible alone, far more people were murdered than in a Nazi's wildest fantasy. During the witch craze in Europe, as many as 9 million (Note from N.: This is an overestimate based on a flawed report made in 1792; A better estimate is around 500,000 between 1500 and 1850) people may have been murdered, mostly after being grotesquely tortured, not to mention the cats that were also tortured and murdered.
How about "the meek shall inherit the earth" ? That's hilarious. They preach that one should be weak and puny, but then feel no remorse over murdering foreign people and expanding their boundaries. "Onward Christian soldiers...."
What about that thing about alcohol? Why is it that Christians are so anti-drinking and drug use when their own idol created wine from water as one of his principle "miracles"? Ryan Will, a Catholic, points out that this is one insane thing that his denomination does not believe (i.e., they believe it is OK to have alcohol). Speaking of Catholics, I keep getting mail from insane Protestants saying that Catholics are cultists. Protestants like the "Freemen" are cultists.
God loves you. Ya, right. He just wants people to kiss his ass. If you don't brown-nose adequately, he will throw your soul into a burning lake. What a power-hungry jerk! Now, if there was such a master of the universe, I would pretend to worship him quietly and then kick his ass at the first opportunity. Isn't that what Lucifer did? By the way, the Christian excuse for why God created humans is that the angels had no choice but to worship him, so he wanted to create little beings that would worship him by choice. Ponder that for a few moments. Point being, Lucifer is the great hero of the mythos of the Bible. God is an evil beast, or an evil dictator at best.
They say "Thou shall not kill" but that only includes people who are Christians. Followers of Moses had no problem murdering whole cities (including pregnant women--its in the Bible) of non-Christians and the same goes for modern day Christians. I'll be putting up an internet memorial to the victims of Christian atrocities later on, but the numbers are staggering...in the Bible alone, far more people were murdered than in a Nazi's wildest fantasy. During the witch craze in Europe, as many as 9 million (Note from N.: This is an overestimate based on a flawed report made in 1792; A better estimate is around 500,000 between 1500 and 1850) people may have been murdered, mostly after being grotesquely tortured, not to mention the cats that were also tortured and murdered.
How about "the meek shall inherit the earth" ? That's hilarious. They preach that one should be weak and puny, but then feel no remorse over murdering foreign people and expanding their boundaries. "Onward Christian soldiers...."
What about that thing about alcohol? Why is it that Christians are so anti-drinking and drug use when their own idol created wine from water as one of his principle "miracles"? Ryan Will, a Catholic, points out that this is one insane thing that his denomination does not believe (i.e., they believe it is OK to have alcohol). Speaking of Catholics, I keep getting mail from insane Protestants saying that Catholics are cultists. Protestants like the "Freemen" are cultists.
God loves you. Ya, right. He just wants people to kiss his ass. If you don't brown-nose adequately, he will throw your soul into a burning lake. What a power-hungry jerk! Now, if there was such a master of the universe, I would pretend to worship him quietly and then kick his ass at the first opportunity. Isn't that what Lucifer did? By the way, the Christian excuse for why God created humans is that the angels had no choice but to worship him, so he wanted to create little beings that would worship him by choice. Ponder that for a few moments. Point being, Lucifer is the great hero of the mythos of the Bible. God is an evil beast, or an evil dictator at best.
Create and feed on fear.
The entire basis of Christianity is fear. You fear death, and so they offer you a nice place called "heaven" where your "soul" goes when you die. "You don't really die," they coo in your ear sweetly, "If you accept Jesus into your heart, you can live Forever!" So wait a minute, I don't automatically live forever! Uh-oh! What's this bargain I have to make? Well, I just have to live according to His rules, blah blah blah. But (because there is no He) what I end up doing is living my life in self-deception surrounded by others who are deluding themselves in order to feel good, too. And I miss out on many aspects of life...hey wait, wasn't that what I was worried about losing in the first place? Hey but that's not all. Now we know that your "soul" goes to heaven if you follow their little rules...what happens if you don't? Well, you soul will be thrown into a "dark, unspeakable place" and you will burn forever in a "lake of fire." Hey! Where I come from, that's a threat! Or, in other words, motivating your opponent with FEAR. Where I come from, that's considered to be rude.
Now they are feeding on your fear of AIDS. Yes, AIDS is something to be afraid of, but they have labeled it as "God's punishment for those who disobey His Law." What happened to the lake of fire? There never was any lake of fire. They didn't generate enough fear with the Hell fairy tale so they have to latch on to some real-world evil and say that it came from God. (Why would God send evil on those he loves?) Don't go out and have sex, now! Nothing will save you from God's hideous wrath! Just from having sex once, even if it's your virgin boyfriend, you'll develop hideous sores, your organs will liquefy and your brain will ooze out your nose! That's what you get for being bad!
What else are you afraid of? You're afraid of being a bad person. You want you life to be justifiable and good. You want to look back on your life when you are 70 and say, "Hey, I was a good person." Christianity makes this easy for you. All you have to do is believe in Jesus! Wow! You believe in Jesus? You must be a good person. Those other people who don't believe in Jesus, they're bad people. I have news for you: Jesus was a bigoted, power-hungry jerk.
The entire basis of Christianity is fear. You fear death, and so they offer you a nice place called "heaven" where your "soul" goes when you die. "You don't really die," they coo in your ear sweetly, "If you accept Jesus into your heart, you can live Forever!" So wait a minute, I don't automatically live forever! Uh-oh! What's this bargain I have to make? Well, I just have to live according to His rules, blah blah blah. But (because there is no He) what I end up doing is living my life in self-deception surrounded by others who are deluding themselves in order to feel good, too. And I miss out on many aspects of life...hey wait, wasn't that what I was worried about losing in the first place? Hey but that's not all. Now we know that your "soul" goes to heaven if you follow their little rules...what happens if you don't? Well, you soul will be thrown into a "dark, unspeakable place" and you will burn forever in a "lake of fire." Hey! Where I come from, that's a threat! Or, in other words, motivating your opponent with FEAR. Where I come from, that's considered to be rude.
Now they are feeding on your fear of AIDS. Yes, AIDS is something to be afraid of, but they have labeled it as "God's punishment for those who disobey His Law." What happened to the lake of fire? There never was any lake of fire. They didn't generate enough fear with the Hell fairy tale so they have to latch on to some real-world evil and say that it came from God. (Why would God send evil on those he loves?) Don't go out and have sex, now! Nothing will save you from God's hideous wrath! Just from having sex once, even if it's your virgin boyfriend, you'll develop hideous sores, your organs will liquefy and your brain will ooze out your nose! That's what you get for being bad!
What else are you afraid of? You're afraid of being a bad person. You want you life to be justifiable and good. You want to look back on your life when you are 70 and say, "Hey, I was a good person." Christianity makes this easy for you. All you have to do is believe in Jesus! Wow! You believe in Jesus? You must be a good person. Those other people who don't believe in Jesus, they're bad people. I have news for you: Jesus was a bigoted, power-hungry jerk.
Completely insane.
Christians have a number of beliefs that defy all logic...
The correctness of the information in the Bible is of central importance to Christian faith. One reason it is often said to be factual is because it is the Word of God, and, therefore, must be true. Also, Christian scholars point out that the Bible portrays many factual historical events, and, therefore, the religious aspects of those events must truly have happened as well.
God is said to have written the Bible through the hands of others. Their names are recorded as the authors of the text. No one ever thinks to wonder why it is that we trust these men to tell the truth...that they were really communicated to by God. Human history is full of people who have claimed to speak to God but have been proven to be fakes. In this case, we are not only taking the authors' word for it, but also the word of the translators and librarians of the early Catholic church. The earliest manuscripts of the books of the Bible are dated at around 400 AD, which leaves over 300 years for falsifications to have occurred. Yes, this date is subject to debate, but Sir Frederic G. Kenyon, formerly Director and Principal Librarian of the British Museum, summarized the evidence for the validity of the new Testament as follows:
"In no other case is the interval of time between the composition of the book and the date of the earliest extant [presently existing] manuscripts so short as in that of the New Testament. The books of the New Testament were written in the latter part of the first century; the earliest extant manuscripts (trifling scraps excepted) are of the fourth century -- say, from 250 to 300 years later."
I found that quote on a Christian's page, by the way. If you want me to believe that a guy was really God and that he "died for my sins" (whatever that means) and rose from the dead, I want the paper that came out the next day; I want a sworn statement from at least 3 witnesses IN WRITING; I want some pictures, damn it! Seriously: if I am expected to believe that a miracle happened, then it must be more irrational to deny the evidence than it is to deny the miracle. Christianity has never come close to meeting this criteria.
Furthermore, assuming that these men are really reporting the Word of God, how do we know that God is telling the truth? The only real reason to believe it is because you believe the people who told it to you, and they believed the people who told it to them, and so forth.
The historical content of the Bible is well established. What is not well established are the magical events that take place in the context of those historical events. For instance, the Jews supposedly blew a magical horn which brought down the walls of Jericho. Some people have said that this is proof to the validity of the Bible because archeologists have shown that the city was destroyed at about the time the Bible indicates. No one said, however, that the Jews destroyed the city via a magical musical instrument; this part is clearly myth.
To put you in proper perspective, let's consider classical mythology. In particular, the Trojan war. In classical mythology, the war is over a woman, Helen of Troy, and several gods and goddesses aid the soldiers in battle. It is well established that there was a Trojan War. Does that mean that it was fought solely over a woman or that dieties aided the living in the battle? Of course not. To say that it did would make you suitable for committal. Imagine, you are in high school English class and Mrs. Whatsername has just had you read the Iliad. Karl Inbred comes in and says, "Gee whiz, I sure didn't know that there were all sorts of gods and goddesses that will help good old boys like me in a war! I think I'll go join the army now!" You'd laugh at him. Let's say the president just read the Iliad and comes on the TV saying, "I am sure our soldiers will be just fine in the upcoming battle because Apollo will make their aim true and Athena will give them expert strategical advice." The guy would be removed from office for his mental disturbance.
The only real reasons to believe in the validity of the Bible are faith and protection of one's subjective reality. Faith is really a matter of wanting to believe something because it is comforting for you on some level. We are scared of death, for instance. Christianity saves us the discomfort of being dead. Christians are typically so invested in their beliefs that to denounce them would be to topple their entire world and destroy the complex rationalizations they have for many of their actions and their explanation for why they are "good people."
Another great logical mistake Christians make is to believe that Christianity is correct because their conscience says that Christian values are right. Your conscience is a side effect of your early phenomenal experience. It is your most deeply internalized values. It does not come from some mystical source, but from your parents, teachers, and society at large. You could easily have been taught different things and then your conscience would say that those things were right. Contrast, for instance, Mangaia (southernmost of the Polynesian Cook Island chain) with certain Irish islands. The Catholics think sex is wrong (of course it is!) and the Mangaians think it is wonderful (of course it is!).
Yet another brain foible of Christians is that you don't have to believe everything in the Bible to be a "good Christian." This is dead wrong. The Bible is clear about women, sex, homosexuality, and slavery. If you are female, if you like sex, if you are gay, lesbian or bisexual, if you are the descendant of slaves (and feel slavery is wrong), you have no business being a Christian. I'll explain later.
Christians have a number of beliefs that defy all logic...
The correctness of the information in the Bible is of central importance to Christian faith. One reason it is often said to be factual is because it is the Word of God, and, therefore, must be true. Also, Christian scholars point out that the Bible portrays many factual historical events, and, therefore, the religious aspects of those events must truly have happened as well.
God is said to have written the Bible through the hands of others. Their names are recorded as the authors of the text. No one ever thinks to wonder why it is that we trust these men to tell the truth...that they were really communicated to by God. Human history is full of people who have claimed to speak to God but have been proven to be fakes. In this case, we are not only taking the authors' word for it, but also the word of the translators and librarians of the early Catholic church. The earliest manuscripts of the books of the Bible are dated at around 400 AD, which leaves over 300 years for falsifications to have occurred. Yes, this date is subject to debate, but Sir Frederic G. Kenyon, formerly Director and Principal Librarian of the British Museum, summarized the evidence for the validity of the new Testament as follows:
"In no other case is the interval of time between the composition of the book and the date of the earliest extant [presently existing] manuscripts so short as in that of the New Testament. The books of the New Testament were written in the latter part of the first century; the earliest extant manuscripts (trifling scraps excepted) are of the fourth century -- say, from 250 to 300 years later."
I found that quote on a Christian's page, by the way. If you want me to believe that a guy was really God and that he "died for my sins" (whatever that means) and rose from the dead, I want the paper that came out the next day; I want a sworn statement from at least 3 witnesses IN WRITING; I want some pictures, damn it! Seriously: if I am expected to believe that a miracle happened, then it must be more irrational to deny the evidence than it is to deny the miracle. Christianity has never come close to meeting this criteria.
Furthermore, assuming that these men are really reporting the Word of God, how do we know that God is telling the truth? The only real reason to believe it is because you believe the people who told it to you, and they believed the people who told it to them, and so forth.
The historical content of the Bible is well established. What is not well established are the magical events that take place in the context of those historical events. For instance, the Jews supposedly blew a magical horn which brought down the walls of Jericho. Some people have said that this is proof to the validity of the Bible because archeologists have shown that the city was destroyed at about the time the Bible indicates. No one said, however, that the Jews destroyed the city via a magical musical instrument; this part is clearly myth.
To put you in proper perspective, let's consider classical mythology. In particular, the Trojan war. In classical mythology, the war is over a woman, Helen of Troy, and several gods and goddesses aid the soldiers in battle. It is well established that there was a Trojan War. Does that mean that it was fought solely over a woman or that dieties aided the living in the battle? Of course not. To say that it did would make you suitable for committal. Imagine, you are in high school English class and Mrs. Whatsername has just had you read the Iliad. Karl Inbred comes in and says, "Gee whiz, I sure didn't know that there were all sorts of gods and goddesses that will help good old boys like me in a war! I think I'll go join the army now!" You'd laugh at him. Let's say the president just read the Iliad and comes on the TV saying, "I am sure our soldiers will be just fine in the upcoming battle because Apollo will make their aim true and Athena will give them expert strategical advice." The guy would be removed from office for his mental disturbance.
The only real reasons to believe in the validity of the Bible are faith and protection of one's subjective reality. Faith is really a matter of wanting to believe something because it is comforting for you on some level. We are scared of death, for instance. Christianity saves us the discomfort of being dead. Christians are typically so invested in their beliefs that to denounce them would be to topple their entire world and destroy the complex rationalizations they have for many of their actions and their explanation for why they are "good people."
Another great logical mistake Christians make is to believe that Christianity is correct because their conscience says that Christian values are right. Your conscience is a side effect of your early phenomenal experience. It is your most deeply internalized values. It does not come from some mystical source, but from your parents, teachers, and society at large. You could easily have been taught different things and then your conscience would say that those things were right. Contrast, for instance, Mangaia (southernmost of the Polynesian Cook Island chain) with certain Irish islands. The Catholics think sex is wrong (of course it is!) and the Mangaians think it is wonderful (of course it is!).
Yet another brain foible of Christians is that you don't have to believe everything in the Bible to be a "good Christian." This is dead wrong. The Bible is clear about women, sex, homosexuality, and slavery. If you are female, if you like sex, if you are gay, lesbian or bisexual, if you are the descendant of slaves (and feel slavery is wrong), you have no business being a Christian. I'll explain later.
gotta stop that
or I'll never
get to 11,000
I have to do some
from 9 to 11
and I have like 45 min
so I better get this done
maybe later
