Pro Hormone suggestions

[asspappy]

Im planning on my first Pro Hormone cycle in a week or two. Any suggestions on what whould be the best product to use for a first cycle. From what I have been reading Havoc seems to be the best. If I use Havoc from what I read I will need to take Cycle support before and while on the cycle and take an ant estrogen such as 6 oxo or gaspari Novedex Xt post cycle. My main goal is to increase muscle mass and strength. My training program is perfect as is my diet and supplements, been training for over 3 years and take it very seriously and I feel i am ready for the next step.

 

[lucifuge]

havoc or h-drol would probably be your best bet.
pick up some nolva for pct, just in case you need it (not novedex) and I'd say either some activate extreme or formadrol extreme as well.

 

[asspappy]

Is HAVOC the original Gaspari Halodrol compound. How do I get Nolva, isnt that a presrciption drug. Do I need to take cycle support? What dose of HAVOC should I begin with? What side effects can I expect and what can I expect to feel like on this stuff?

 

[biggfly]

Is HAVOC the original Gaspari Halodrol compound. How do I get Nolva, isnt that a presrciption drug. Do I need to take cycle support? What dose of HAVOC should I begin with? What side effects can I expect and what can I expect to feel like on this stuff?

Do your homework...you CLEARLY ARE NOT READY. Too many fundamental questions by you that one NEEDS and SHOULD know before doing any cycle.

 

[workingatit43]

Is HAVOC the original Gaspari Halodrol compound. How do I get Nolva, isnt that a presrciption drug. Do I need to take cycle support? What dose of HAVOC should I begin with? What side effects can I expect and what can I expect to feel like on this stuff?

Havoc is not Halodrol. Yes you need to take Cycle Support and preload it 10-14 days before starting the cycle and continue while on the cycle. Side affect can be many hair loss, acne, pumps, dry joints and gyno to name a few.

Nolva can be had right here by one of our board sponsors use it for your lab rat.

Nolva

Havoc dosing 20/30/30/30. Now with this all being said get everything mentioned and take about 2 months to research the hell out of this stuff you are not ready to run it.

 

[allnaturalmyass]

Havoc is not Halodrol. Yes you need to take Cycle Support and preload it 10-14 days before starting the cycle and continue while on the cycle. Side affect can be many hair loss, acne, pumps, dry joints and gyno to name a few.

Nolva can be had right here by one of our board sponsors use it for your lab rat.

Nolva

Havoc dosing 20/30/30/30. Now with this all being said get everything mentioned and take about 2 months to research the hell out of this stuff you are not ready to run it.

Yeah man follow this is a very good advice.

 

[asspappy]

So I will start cycle support 10 days before starting havoc and continue while on cycle,I will take 10 first week, 20 second week, 30 3rd and 4th week then take novedex xt for 4 weeks pc and then start T-BOMB 2. Why do you say you need a serm and nolva, from what my reserch has told is that havoc can deecrease gyno and little side effects and a low conversion to estrogen. Also you say to do your reserch, where elese but here and other forums can I get info on havoc. I have found no website for RPN, and the supplement bottle tells you nothing. Everything I know comes from what I read on here. Every review I have read sais there is little to no sides and every one is using novedex Xt pct, why the hell whould I need nolva and or serms. Im asking you people for your advice cause i cant find any info any where elese.

 

[biggfly]

Its not that you shouldn't come here for advice, but if you read the stickies and did more research on your own, many questions you would have answered through your own research, and through your OWN research you would LEARN much more and understand more(rather than just read what someone tells you is their personal experience). Its good you ask, however, some ?'s are just ones showing you didn't look up enough stuff. PCT is critical, and even though it says it doesn't convert, the fact is these supps suppress and lower your bodies ability to produce its OWN testosterone. So even though the actual supp doesn't convert, it does shut you down, thus lowering your natural test and thus raising the estro levels in comparison. Result is delayed gyno symptons, Prolactin etc. See, your natural levels are low cuz this is a steroid and it shuts your test production down thus the circulating estrogen in your system is now at a higher ratio than before, a SERM will prevent the EXISTING estrogen, that is now at a higher ratio to your test levels, from causing gyno symptons. Get it??

 

[workingatit43]

So I will start cycle support 10 days before starting havoc and continue while on cycle,I will take 10 first week, 20 second week, 30 3rd and 4th week then take novedex xt for 4 weeks pc and then start T-BOMB 2. Why do you say you need a serm and nolva, from what my reserch has told is that havoc can deecrease gyno and little side effects and a low conversion to estrogen. Also you say to do your reserch, where elese but here and other forums can I get info on havoc. I have found no website for RPN, and the supplement bottle tells you nothing. Everything I know comes from what I read on here. Every review I have read sais there is little to no sides and every one is using novedex Xt pct, why the hell whould I need nolva and or serms. Im asking you people for your advice cause i cant find any info any where elese.

Novedex XT is not Nolva check the link I gave you. Novedex XT is not eough of a pct IMO. Google search also helps with some of the questions.

 

[asspappy]

Ive been doing more reserch and Havoc is said to get rid of gyno cause it has anti estrogen like effects, I also read that it can boost sex drive, and there are lot of people saying you dont need nolva pct that Havoc is not strong enough to need it and they say Novedex xt is plenty. Also lots of reviews say the sides are minimal to none.

 

[zombul]

Havoc is one of the milder ph's and should have less sides than some others.I think these guys are advising the use of Nolva in a it's better to have it and not need it than need it and not have it.Novadex may be effiecient but it also may not for your body so why not do the sure bet and go with Nolva. Research always suggests be as safe as possible and that would be the safe bet.

 

[workingatit43]

Ive been doing more reserch and Havoc is said to get rid of gyno cause it has anti estrogen like effects, I also read that it can boost sex drive, and there are lot of people saying you dont need nolva pct that Havoc is not strong enough to need it and they say Novedex xt is plenty. Also lots of reviews say the sides are minimal to none.

Havoc will not get rid of gyno. It scares me when people say I am going to take a steriod to get rid of gyno.

 

[zombul]

Belive or not I have actually had a guy use epistane to help with some gyno problems he got after a m1t cycle and it completly cleared up and disapated. I have done some research on it for that purpose and it has been used effectively by some.I wouldn't reccommend it as a pct by no means and wouldn't use it without pct but I have seen it help gyno symptoms.

 

[asspappy]

I guess Ill do more reserch, but I dont no where Im going to get any good info. I have done tons of serches on yahoo and read all the forums, is there any other way to get some good info or any books i can read. I plan on waiting till January to run this stuff.

 

[zombul]

Monitor logs on the forums and read alot of actual user feedback is a good place to start.

 

[ZECH]

I guess Ill do more reserch, but I dont no where Im going to get any good info. I have done tons of serches on yahoo and read all the forums, is there any other way to get some good info or any books i can read. I plan on waiting till January to run this stuff.

There are hundreds or thousands of bb boards on the net that are loaded with info. Take your pick.

 

[workingatit43]

Go to the boards and search the logs in the steriod section and the Post cycle support sections.