Propecia and muscle gains?

[skull]

bascily i have started to thin at the front so was thinking about propecia, however i no that when taking with a test cycle it can inhibit gains etc, however is it the same if your training naturally, will it affect gains etc?

 

[Good Grip]

I dont think it could blunt test abiltity to build muscle, and even if it did, it would be minimial in my opinion. You could add our Toco 8 to further help with hair shedding issues. I started using it last year and stopped most shedding, in fact my hairline has not receeded at all.

 

[skull]

thing is it doesnt stop test but it dramaticaly reduces the conversion into DHT and dont we need that to grow well

 

[SFW]

I believe propecia will only effect dht related gears.

It wouldnt effect tren gains for example.

 

[SFW]

should also add, if you're really worried about hair loss, you shouldnt really be running cycles.

 

[skull]

no im training natural, just wanted to no if it would affect gains naturally

 

[BigBlackGuy]

no im training natural, just wanted to no if it would affect gains naturally

Yes. DHT helps with many different biological processes. Low DHT can effect determination/aggression in the gym and in life in general. It can also help burn sub-q fat through various pathways. DHT also directly effects nitrogen retention. There is another more direct pathway in which DHT can effect anabolism, but I'd need to look my my source. This is why DHT can't simply be crushed and then have all androgenic side effects non-existent.

As a natural trainee, you don't want to mess with something that can kill your androgens. I've heard of permanent loss of sexual function due to prolonged use of finasteride and other dht inhibitors.

You will also end up increasing estrogen levels because DHT is a powerful antagonist of E2. That can mean gyno, high BP and increased fat storage, along with depression and other estrogen related side effects. Contrary to popular belief, high estrogen levels can also lead to prostate issues, especially if DHT isn't inhibited enough.

Hope that helps buddy.

Edit: Also, look up nizoral shampoo. It's a topical DHT blocker that only effects the area in which it is applied. Also it's probably slightly systemic, it won't do nearly as much harm as finasteride or other oral dht blockers.

 

[bikeswimlive]

So when dealing with DHT (when not seeking to lower it obviously), what is the most effective administration method (injection, topical, oral)?

 

[BigBlackGuy]

So when dealing with DHT, what is the most effective administration method (injection, topical, oral)?

It depends on what is easy for you. Injectable DHT isn't really easy to come by, topical DHT can be dangerous if you are going to be touching people (especially women, including wife/children) and oral really doesn't exist aside from phs like Androhard and Stanodrol. Our V2 Androhard is almost 200mg DHT at full dose, but it won't start shipping until early March...

 

[bikeswimlive]

It depends on what is easy for you. Injectable DHT isn't really easy to come by, topical DHT can be dangerous if you are going to be touching people (especially women, including wife/children) and oral really doesn't exist aside from phs like Androhard and Stanodrol. Our V2 Androhard is almost 200mg DHT at full dose, but it won't start shipping until early March...

How does V2 compare to the original?

 

[ryansm]

How does V2 compare to the original?

It will be the alpha isomer, so much stronger and less sides I would imagine. I believe Eric mentioned something in the ballpark of 5 times the potency.