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Q & A with Jake Baumgartner NPC National Bodybuilder Competitor
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yes,that does make alot of sense. I like the idea of threshholds when it comes to suplementation as you put it....
The first thing I will be doing is knocking down the shakes to just pre/post workout and working on eating healthier first.
How do you feel about early morning fasted cardio? I am gonna try this starting next week....
30 minutes of steady pace low intensity fasted cardio is a good way to start your day... if you get to the point where you seem to be getting to lean and at the risk of losing muscle (which starting at 25% bodyfat you are aways away from that) then you could always adjust thing accordingly and maybe have some protein and fats before had...
one more recomendation is i would drop the pre workout shake and do a pre workout whole food meal... you're just gonna get better results from eating the whole food... eat and give yourself about an hour and a half to digest and then go kill it at the gym...
keep me updated on your progress
thanks bro!!! i'm excited to be here!!!
Hi Jake, Ive been running the following for 5 weeks now: Sust 500mg weekly, Tren ace 100mg eod, and EQ 400mg weekly. The sides from the Tren have gotten more severe every time I use it in a cycle. Ive been thinking about switching to a Tri-Tren blend which has longer esters and a longer half-life. Ive ready that the sides are less. Ive gotten mixed reviews about the Tri-Tren blend. Any thoughts? would it be adviseable to start some anastrozole now to help with the sides? Thanks
Stats: 6'0", 245lbs, 12%BF,
i would need to know a little more detail... what sides exactly are you talking about and how do you know it's from the tren?
another thing is you will more than likely recieve the same sides (if infact it is from the tren) from the tri-tren, because the drug is still the same it's just the ester that's changed which just controls how the drug is metabolized by your body...
also anastrozole will not help specifically with the tren although it will lower your estrgen levels from to the test and eq, which may help your situation... tren raises progesterone levels so you may want to look into running a little bromocriptine or cabergoline both which come with their own fair share of side effects, so make sure to do your research on them...
hope this helped
thanks for the warm welcome bro!!! i'm excited to be here!!!
500 test enanth
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30 minutes of steady pace low intensity fasted cardio is a good way to start your day... if you get to the point where you seem to be getting to lean and at the risk of losing muscle (which starting at 25% bodyfat you are aways away from that) then you could always adjust thing accordingly and maybe have some protein and fats before had...
one more recomendation is i would drop the pre workout shake and do a pre workout whole food meal... you're just gonna get better results from eating the whole food... eat and give yourself about an hour and a half to digest and then go kill it at the gym...
keep me updated on your progress
I will. Thank you. i will start to record it in my log with updates
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No orals thrown in there? Very intersting, and thanks for the reply!
i'm just not a big fan of orals... i don't see what benifit they offer over injectables and they are way more toxic
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Hey Jake, I seen u on stage recently @ the NPC Midewest Ironman. Congrats on winning 1st place in the Super Heavy Weight Div... Your Back & Legs stole the show! I was wondering do u write up diet plans cuzz im looking to put on some lean mass but im not sure how many carbs & grams of protein etc... im supposed to be taking in a day. Can u help me???
i would need to know a little more detail... what sides exactly are you talking about and how do you know it's from the tren?
another thing is you will more than likely recieve the same sides (if infact it is from the tren) from the tri-tren, because the drug is still the same it's just the ester that's changed which just controls how the drug is metabolized by your body...
also anastrozole will not help specifically with the tren although it will lower your estrgen levels from to the test and eq, which may help your situation... tren raises progesterone levels so you may want to look into running a little bromocriptine or cabergoline both which come with their own fair share of side effects, so make sure to do your research on them...
hope this helped
I'm experiencing all your normal sides (cough, metallic taste in mouth) but am now expereincing more hair loss with each cycle. i keep my test at about 500mg. I know Tren is highly androgenic and the sides can be severe. Ive read that Arimidex will not only block estrogen at the receptor level for gyno but also help it from aromatizing androgens throughout the body where tamoxifen is used just for breast tissues. i will definitley try bromo and cabergoline.
I also want to thank you on your earlier thread on PCT. I'm going to definitely try what you recommended.
thanks again
no prob bro... arimidex will definitely help stop the test and eq from aromatizing but tren doesn't aromatize... for your hair loss issues running a little bit of finasteride would definitely help... and most importantly get your blood work done about 8 weeks after your last steroid injection to make sure everything is on the up and up (no pun intended)!!!
thanks for the kind words bro i appreciate it... i definitley write up diet plans for people looking to take there physique to the next level... i find that most of the time that is the missing link in someones lack of progress... finding the right formula of macronutrients is key to getting your body to respond how you want it to... and it is an on going and everchanging process that's why i find it key to stay in close contact with the people i work with to make sure we are getting optimal results
go a head and private message me and we can discuss this in further detail... sound good?MJ'S/BACK
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Good deal... I didn't kno u were a licensed dietician... I see hear u have your own line of supplements & your own gym/studio. Inboxing now!!!!
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Now tht I'm running letro cab mix how do I avoid a estrogen rebound when I come off? Is there a prymid dosage I should use? Relating to my other post my gyno is gone
This is the best advice ANYONE can use. GREAT post. Too many people just think drugs can fix everything at moderate to high doses, when the problem is jut the diet / cardio.
Welcome.
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Hey Jake, In your opinion, what is the maximum length of time to be on a Keto Diet. I tried Keto the first two weeks of my cycle starting in Jan and eventually hit a wall not being able to lift heavy. I did get leaner, but that wasn't the goal of the first 6 weeks. I don't feel like I made much progress the first 6 weeks of this blast.
I've got 16 weeks before my contest and would still like to put on some mass before going full cut, but I don't wanna do Keto so long I sacrifice mass. I'm 236 as of this morning 6'2" at about 9-10% on my calipers.
I've got 16 weeks before my contest and would still like to put on some mass before going full cut, but I don't wanna do Keto so long I sacrifice mass. I'm 236 as of this morning 6'2" at about 9-10% on my calipers.
thanks bro... i appreciate the kind words... i'm here to try to show that although chemicals are used in our sport it's not the difference between the top people in the sport and everyone else... the difference is their hard work, consistency, attention to detail, and discipline... NOT their super mega dosed exotic drug cocktail...
I'm a little confused... why would you follow a keto diet if the goal was NOT to get leaner? i don't know of any other reason to go on a keto diet... personally i try never to start a person with a keto diet either... we may end up getting to that point, but i always start my clients diet with carbs in... if the scale is going down and the person is looking better in the pictures/mirror then i leave it alone... however if the scale is stuck or i'm not seeing the changes i want in the person i slowly remove carbs a meal at a time week by week... then moving on to carb cycling... then eventually keto... then... if we start to get too lean and risk losing muscle we go back to carb cycling and so on and so forth... for my clients it a constantly changing week to week depending on the scale and pictures/mirror...
so to answer your question... "what is the maximum length of time to be on a keto diet?" my answer would be i don't know... it is all individually specific... i'd have to be doing your contest prep and learning your body and how it reacts to all the different variables that effect the physique... your training regimen, the type of cardio your are doing, the type of body type you are, and what you did previously to get you to the point you are at now... and even then i wouldn't be able to tell you do keto for 6 weeks... because everything is determined week to week...
does this all make sense? i hoped it helped a little and i hoped it help give you an understanding that you can't just say i'm going to do "this" for certain time period because the body is ever changing...
let me know if you have any other questions...
Jake,
Without giving away too many of your secrets, how do you diet older lifters? I'm 51, almost 52 and for a long time was 300 pounds plus, eating massive amounts of food and handled it pretty well. Earlier last year I decided due to the birth of our child to get down to a much smaller 240-250 which I have done. But I found as I dieted longer that my sensitivity to carbs increased drastically. I ran a CKD diet at the start with one refeed day a week but found that all that did was make me tired and sluggish. Have you witnessed this and what would you suggest for overall diet success while still wanting to keep muscle already there?
Thanks!!
Without giving away too many of your secrets, how do you diet older lifters? I'm 51, almost 52 and for a long time was 300 pounds plus, eating massive amounts of food and handled it pretty well. Earlier last year I decided due to the birth of our child to get down to a much smaller 240-250 which I have done. But I found as I dieted longer that my sensitivity to carbs increased drastically. I ran a CKD diet at the start with one refeed day a week but found that all that did was make me tired and sluggish. Have you witnessed this and what would you suggest for overall diet success while still wanting to keep muscle already there?
Thanks!!
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Thanks for responding Jake, I realize I left that question a little too vague.
I think I followed some bad advise to do the keto while lifting heavy. I had read that some people were doing Keto as their mass diet, I know now that was wrong. There is also a lot of cunfusing stuff on Keto and I know diet is where I screwed this up.
I'm a Meso/Endo type so carbs pile up on me pretty easily. Since quiting the Keto, I've kept protein at around around 420/day fats at 225/day and carbs at 175/day for a total of 4200 cals. This has been for the last 4 weeks (I only lasted on Keto 2 weeks) - Just still no real growth. Started at 232 10% and am sitting at 236 9% (per my caliper) Lifting is heavy to failure at 8-10 reps per exercise. Just hitting a wall on growth I guess. Or could it be overtraining?
A local guy has offered to do my prep for me, He's qualified. I see him getting his pro card in the next few years. I just know that his last prep he did Keto for 12 weeks and instead of Carb loading for 24-36 hours every week, he did one meal a week. Since I didn't make subatantial Mass Gains in the first 6-8 weeks of this, I don't wanna lose a bunch of muscle before the show.
i have found that those types of diets can cause a feeling of fatigue if used for extended periods of time... i typically try my best to keep low glycemic complex carbs in my clients diet.. when first starting with a client i slowly manipulate the macro nutrients until we find the formula that gives the desired intention... i am a stickler on my clients weighing out all of their foods... even their vegtables that way i know exactly what is causing what effect and nothing is let to guestimating... it is a slow process but once we find the formula the metabolism starts to really pick up and people see the results they want... also refeeding days scare me... a lot of damage can be done in one day... i usually give one maybe two cheat meals spread throughout the week depending on the individual... i hope this helps bro... let me know if you'd like to discuss things in further detail
Thank you Jake, definitely like to discuss this in further detail.
go ahead and shoot me a private message and we can go from there... sound good?
Sounds good, I'll pm you in the morning. Spending a little quality time with the family (damn iPhone!)
actually the pct i recommend is great for normalizing extrogen levels as well, so once the active steroid has cleared your system stop with the letro and cab and follow the pct program i laid out in a previous entry a few posts back...
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Humongous Human Help
Hey Humongous Human
I currently weigh 210 I'm 5'8 and my bodyfat is next to non existent...
I would like to compete at the NPC Ironman in IL (a show that you dominated)
Have you heard much about the "RAW" diet?
Does cooking your meats really destroy most of the nutritional benefits of the meat?
My current Macro:
Protein 400 (Turkey,Eggs,Whey)
Carbs 300 (Oats,Rice,Fruits)
Fats 100(Flax,Eggs,Nuts)
Questions: How much fiber should I take in?
Hey Humongous Human
I currently weigh 210 I'm 5'8 and my bodyfat is next to non existent...
I would like to compete at the NPC Ironman in IL (a show that you dominated)
Have you heard much about the "RAW" diet?
Does cooking your meats really destroy most of the nutritional benefits of the meat?
My current Macro:
Protein 400 (Turkey,Eggs,Whey)
Carbs 300 (Oats,Rice,Fruits)
Fats 100(Flax,Eggs,Nuts)
Questions: How much fiber should I take in?
i have heard of the raw diet and it's not that i'm against it, but people have been cooking their meets for more years than i could even guess to know... and look at the size of the current bodybuilders today... i am willing to bet 99.99% of them cook their meats... to allow for and to support the size of todays bodybuilder they must be getting most of the nutritional benifits of their meats... so to answer your question i don't see any advantage to eat your meats raw... but i do see a greater risk of a bacterial food born illness... my advise would be to keep cooking your meats... as far as fiber goes try to shoot for 25g's a day... that should keep the pipes clean ;-) good luck in your contest endevors
Hows it going Jake? You def have given some great advice. I have learned quite a bit and its really cool to see someone helping people out. I put a link with a pic of me and was wondering what you think? I want to compete at the end of June at an NPC comp. Some people dont think i will be ready in time but im not a quitter and really determined. I am 5' 9" and currently weigh 228lbs. My body fat level was taken 2 weeks ago and I was 16% at 233lbs. Been working hard and sticking with my diet. Your opinion would mean alot and would help me decide if I should wait.
http://i1267.photobucket.com/albums/jj550/indrox1/jm week 3/jmweek3.jpg
http://i1267.photobucket.com/albums/jj550/indrox1/jm week 3/jmweek3.jpg
hey bro nice to meet you and thanks so much for the kind words, that means a lot to me... so you're about 16+ weeks out... i definitly think you can be ready in time... with the right diet, training, and cardio program (if you'd like to hire me a can give you all those things, lol i gotta plug myself) you have plenty of time... the thing i tell people when they come to me asking if i think they should do a show is dieting down for a competition is essential to making new gains every year... each time you diet down to a contest stage weight your body matures a little bit more... so next year when your back up to 233 again it is going to be a much leaner and more muscular 233 i promise... no one ever looks like mr olympia in their first competition and a true competitor is never going to be 100% satisfied with the way they look... but if you look better each and every time you compete then you had a successful year and to make that happen you have got to start somewhere... so my advise would be to promise yourself you're going to do this show... who cares what other people say... half the time those are the people that are jelous of you because you are doing something they wish they could do... i hope this helped some... and let me know what your decision is...
Thanks man that is what I needed to hear... and coming from someone that does compete makes it that much more incouraging. Im pumped now. Im gona do the show! I will also post some pics of my progress. Thanks again bro... means alot.
