Recomendations for my next cycle

[Governer]

what up bros, so im planning out my upcoming winter/spring cycle and im torn. essentially i have unlimited amount of test e, prop, tren A, EQ, NPP, anavar and masteron p. i know, poor me.. anyways the goal for this next cycle is to put on as much lean, retainable and solid mass as possible. lean bulk if you will.

so while brainstorming i thought maybe do a long cycle with a 9-10 bulking phase and finishing with a 8-10 week solidifying phase. such as

1-10 100mg/day test prop
1-9 75mg/npp/day
1-18 800mg EQ/week
6-20 100mg/anavar/day
10-11 pyramid down prop
11-20 30mg/day test prop
11-19 tren A 50mg/day

could also add in mast for the last 10 weeks but with var and tren might be overkill.
before anyone asks yes, yes, i got plenty of HCG, aromasin, caber, prami, clomid, fareston & letro for ancilleries, im no newb so lets stick to the topic.

but my main concern with the cycle above is ive never included nandrolone and trenbolone in the same cycle, i know i wouldnt be running them side by side but consecutively. i know metabolites from nandrolone will stick around for months after stopping the drug, im concerned the left over metabolites will aggravate progesterone sides even worse once starting the tren. even though ill have over a week gap between them. anyone have experience running tren after a nandrolone?

or..... should i ditch the nandrolone all together and just lean bulk from the get go with

1-20 30mg/day test prop
1-18 800mg/week EQ
6-20 100mg/day anavar
cycle tren 6weeks on 2weeks off tapering up to find sweet spot
1-6 tren 50mg/day
8-13 tren 75mg/day
15-19 tren 100mg/day

decisions...decisions

 

[SoCalSwole]

I like the first option. Pretty much what I'm doing now. NPP is good for joints and preps the joints for the drying once you switch to prop and tren. The Var would just be the icing on the cake. Only adjustment i would make is upping the EQ to a gram or even 1.2 grams a week. Add 800 mg of mast on the last 10 weeks. I never believed the 2 week off on the tren. It starts hitting hard so then you stop for 2 weeks?!?! I don't get it.

Sounds fun!

 

[Governer]

thanks for your input brother, if i can handle the sides and tapering up i might as well run the tren straight the whole 10 weeks. ..and i love my anavar, i respond great to it and i get stronger off var then dbol or anadrol. im predispose to High BP so i plan on donating blood a couple times throughout the cycle. do you think a gram a week of EQ eouldnt be too excessive if im running all the other gear?

 

[jcar1016]

So you have high BP and want to run EQ and Tren with an oral for 19 weeks.For a total of 20 weeks And you plan to deal with the BP issues by donating blood? You dont see any problems with this plan?

 

[jcar1016]

Also your numbers arent adding up for me bro. You plan on running more tren than test? Why would you do that? You'll be a month off cycle before you can get your dick hard.

 

[Governer]

1st, yes, high blood pressure runs in my family so i know im predisposed to it. i have no problem keeping it in control with cardio and diet. and yes donating blood can cut down on rbc count. ...2nd, i know i newer here but apparently the "high tren, low test" practice hasnt made its way to this board yet. yes, you read correctly when running tren i plan on keeping my test at roughly 200mg per week no matter the amount of tren im running. it cuts the sides down considerably and makes running tren much more tolerable. you can read all the testimonies on other boards and threads.

 

[Governer]

also, anavar is very mild, the mildest of all the orals other than primo tabs and personally, studies have come out showing even running 150mg/day of anadrol for 20 weeks at atime doesnt give you liver failure so the whole oral toxicity arguement is hyped imo. anavar for 14 weeks, not 20. EQ for 18 because it takes at least 12-14 to even get to the goods that eq has to offer. and tren for only the last 10 weeks. and donating blood helps with rbc count thats elevated because of EQ, bp is going to go up regardless if im predisposed or not. if your on cycle and eating a ton of food your blood pressure will be higher than if you werent on. thats just how it works

 

[jcar1016]

I meant no offense bro. I just saw you had 10 posts and you were planning a 20 week cycle. Although I agree that donating blood will lower your RBC, RBC volume is not the only reason AAS causes an increase in BP. Just dont wanna see ya go lift after giving up a pint and drop a barbell on your head when you faint. There are other ways of controlling your BP. You can run your tren higher than test, or run 2 19nors like your first proposal but, you said you wanted to minimize sides. You'll go from being angry to weepy in 2 secs when your dick dont work. If your cool with that by all means pin away. Also I noticed you are saying this board or this study not, i know because I've done it. I have and its not fun. Theres nothing wrong per se with that run. I would up your test, drop the EQ for Mast, and get some good BP support. JMHO

 

[SoCalSwole]

I meant no offense bro. I just saw you had 10 posts and you were planning a 20 week cycle. Although I agree that donating blood will lower your RBC, RBC volume is not the only reason AAS causes an increase in BP. Just dont wanna see ya go lift after giving up a pint and drop a barbell on your head when you faint. There are other ways of controlling your BP. You can run your tren higher than test, or run 2 19nors like your first proposal but, you said you wanted to minimize sides. You'll go from being angry to weepy in 2 secs when your dick dont work. If your cool with that by all means pin away. Also I noticed you are saying this board or this study not, i know because I've done it. I have and its not fun. Theres nothing wrong per se with that run. I would up your test, drop the EQ for Mast, and get some good BP support. JMHO

First I want to respond that yes everything you stated is entirely possible. What your describing is the worst case scenario. I mean if we wanted to play it completely 100% safe none of us would be here. Having said that. I think you have enough test in there to not have to worry about any sexual dysfunction. The EQ has tendency to raise BP, just be smart about it and keep an eye on it. Also a low dose of Cialis can lower your BP. Mast won't give you the slow steady gains that EQ will bring. Mast will get you hard and grainy towards the end, but to suggest that mast can give the same gains as EQ in my opinion is not accurate.

As long as you watch your sodium intake and don't let your self get bloated you BP should not be an issue. I mean if it is legit high and not just elevated then I would be careful but no reason to completely limit what you can experiment with. Just get lean enough to not have to worry about the BP. Unless you have a legit BP problem like 140 over 80 consistently I would not sweat it. I am not Doctor its up to you to decide. But like I said if we were playing 100% safe none of us would be here. Calculated risks, don't be stupid. But no reason to blanket statement say that you should avoid all this. Its up to the individual. With clean eating and careful monitoring it is completely safe.

 

[SoCalSwole]

Your test is at 210 a week and the tren at 800 a week. I have done cycles near that like 250 test a week and 700 tren its harsh on the sleep patterns, and mood. But if you can handle it it will produce results as long as your diet is in line. I might increase the test a tad like 250-300 range, raise the tren slowly to test how far you can go. I always hesitate to state what MG a week of tren I will take. Too many variables, potency with different labs is the first one. I always start low and ram up to see where the ceiling is. Some tren I could not tolerate any more than 500 a week others I was fine at 800. There's nothing wrong with your plan just be smart.

 

[jcar1016]

SoCal, I completely agree with what your saying. There were just alot of things said that make me believe the OP might not be ready for this type of cycle. Funny you mention the low dose Cialis for BP control, i started recommending that to guys about five years ago here and it never really caught on. I prefer it for BP control myself. I had some threads on here back then about it prolly still there for anyone interested. I have just seen some young guys really fuck themselves up and two very close friends die from treating this like an "experiment." One of whom was a very prominent member of this board. Can be perfectly safe is not the same as IS perfectly safe. Peace-J

 

[SoCalSwole]

SoCal, I completely agree with what your saying. There were just alot of things said that make me believe the OP might not be ready for this type of cycle. Funny you mention the low dose Cialis for BP control, i started recommending that to guys about five years ago here and it never really caught on. I prefer it for BP control myself. I had some threads on here back then about it prolly still there for anyone interested. I have just seen some young guys really fuck themselves up and two very close friends die from treating this like an "experiment." One of whom was a very prominent member of this board. Can be perfectly safe is not the same as IS perfectly safe. Peace-J

Fair enough Brother, I can agree with this logic. All we can do is caution and its up to him to decide. First rule is know your body and how it responds to each of these compounds before stacking them up. If he has not yet experimented with each individually with just test then I agree with you completely. Respect.

 

[Governer]

Good looking out guys. I have plenty of prami to keep libido up and prolactin in check if sides so arise. Prami also can hall keep blood pressure low, according to my reading. I plan on tapering up on the tren and adjusting AI and prami dose according to what I feel and bloods say. ...as stated before the real concern for me is I've never run 2 19-Nors. Never side by side but consecutively. As long as I keep prolactin in check I believe I should be ok, just wanted to see if Any other bros had done it before. Cycle safe boys

 

[SoCalSwole]

Good looking out guys. I have plenty of prami to keep libido up and prolactin in check if sides so arise. Prami also can hall keep blood pressure low, according to my reading. I plan on tapering up on the tren and adjusting AI and prami dose according to what I feel and bloods say. ...as stated before the real concern for me is I've never run 2 19-Nors. Never side by side but consecutively. As long as I keep prolactin in check I believe I should be ok, just wanted to see if Any other bros had done it before. Cycle safe boys

If you never tried Prami I would also suggest you give it a test. It's a bitch. I tried several times to get used to it and gave up it makes me so sick feels like i have the flu and yes I have tried slowly ramping it up with minuscule doses. Still can't do it. Cabergoline is the way to go for me.

 

[Governer]

If you never tried Prami I would also suggest you give it a test. It's a bitch. I tried several times to get used to it and gave up it makes me so sick feels like i have the flu and yes I have tried slowly ramping it up with minuscule doses. Still can't do it. Cabergoline is the way to go for me.

yeah, ive always used caber but its not very good for your heart in the long run, and the GH release that prami gives makes it such a better drug to use IF u can tolerate it. this will be my first time using prami, but i got tabs, none of that research liquid bullshit. hopefully i can power through if it does make me feel like shit until i get used to it.