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I'm completely fed up with most of these research chemical companies. I'm honestly thinking about starting my own. I'm not trying to solicit anyone or anything, I'm just looking for someone with basic knowledge who could answer a few questions for me. Of course, this will all be for research purposes.

I hate seeing my boys get shafted by these companies, out to make a quick buck. I'm tired of these "bad batches" and underdosed products. I want a place everyone can go for properly dosed RC's, all the time. No hit and miss. Something of quality, and quality prices, that is reliable.

If anyone reading this has a basic knowledge, and could answer a few basic questions for me, please PM me. Thanks.
 
I wouldn't even sell it, because at this point, it would be loaded with estrogen from all these bunks chems :lol:

This is an honest request for info though. I want to take the game over.
 
bigbenj said:
I wouldn't even sell it, because at this point, it would be loaded with estrogen from all these bunks chems :lol:

This is an honest request for info though. I want to take the game over.
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Everyone starts with good intentions. You will still have no control over the equality of the raw powders manufactured in China.
 
This is true, and something I've thought about. I plan on testing the products on my rats before releasing them to the market. Blood tests will be released for every batch. I want each batch to have a months worth of testing behind it, before release. I don't want to just cap powders and push them out as quick as I can.

Of course, these are just my basic thoughts. Any constructive criticism is welcome.
 
If I go ahead with this, I want to be a constant positive presence for years and years. I'm not in this just to make a quick buck or to just push as much product as I can. I will take my time with this, and insure quality. This is why I want to test every product for a month before release. I want to insure that the product I put out is to my standards and wants. If I find a shipment of powder I was sent is bad, I will not put that out. I will trash it and start again.
 
bigbenj said:
This is true, and something I've thought about. I plan on testing the products on my rats before releasing them to the market. Blood tests will be released for every batch. I want each batch to have a months worth of testing behind it, before release. I don't want to just cap powders and push them out as quick as I can.

Of course, these are just my basic thoughts. Any constructive criticism is welcome.
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If you were to stay private, this might be doable. Once the word gets out or you go public I think the demand will be too high to test every batch. The larger the operation the more difficult it is to maintain quality control. Especialy if you aren't in control of manufactoring from end to end.
 
bigbenj said:
If I go ahead with this, I want to be a constant positive presence for years and years. I'm not in this just to make a quick buck or to just push as much product as I can. I will take my time with this, and insure quality. This is why I want to test every product for a month before release. I want to insure that the product I put out is to my standards and wants. If I find a shipment of powder I was sent is bad, I will not put that out. I will trash it and start again.
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Really cool idea. How do you offset the costs of bunk powders or lack of inventory and demand issues?
 
That is very true. Small things usually slip through the cracks once the size of the operation increases. I think part of that is that people become too relaxed, reliant, and put too much trust in others. I want my hands on and in everything. While I can't control the powders coming in to me, I can insure that they don't go out if they aren't up to my standards. I won't have anyone else handling my products, besides my potential business partner, and he is on the same page as me. We're not going to be in this to make a quick buck. We want to be in it forever.
 
hoyle21 said:
Really cool idea. How do you offset the costs of bunk powders or lack of inventory and demand issues?
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I'm not afraid to eat costs if I have to. I'm not going to get greedy. Greed is what ruins everyone. I'm far, far, far from greedy.
If I don't have the proper inventory on hand, I will have to tell people to wait. I'm not going to take orders if I don't have the products.
I think people would respect that. I see plenty of people who will wait for a source to open back up to get their supplies, instead of going somewhere else. I believe that with a solid customer base, built through trust, people would be understanding of small delays like that.
 
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Keep the feedback coming, Hoyle. It gives me more to think about.
 
Anyone with input is welcome. I'm kind of just using this thread to think out loud.
I've always been one to want to help people, and this would tie in two of my passions. Enhancing your body and helping others.
 
I gotta eat bro. Carbing up today. Be back in a few. I'm pretty good with business and numbers though, so feel free to bounce ideas off me.
 
Thanks, bro. I appreciate it and I will.
 
I want to start with just the basics:
Aromasin, Arimidex, Prami, and Caber. I really want to hone those in before doing anything more.
I know people would expect more, but, that's not how I want to start. I think those are the most commonly sought after chems, so that's what I'd want to get on top of first.
 
I don't want to be like all the other chem companies. I feel like they are too plain, and they don't really have a real presence in the community.
I want to be hands on with everything, including communicating with all the customers on a personal basis.
I don't want anyone answering questions for me. I want a direct line of communication between myself and the customers.
I won't have any reps. It will just be myself and my business partner. We will be hands on in every facet of this operation.

I want everyone to be like "go with my boy Ben's company. Everything is top notch, and he's a great guy that really cares about the customers and the quality of his products." That's what I want.
 
heavyiron said:
You need a Mass Spectrometer and a great powder source. Mass Spec machines are 25 grand used.
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I think he is planning on testing everything personally through blood work done so hr could get away without the Mass Spec. A reliable and consistent source for powders will be very tough.
 
My partner said if I can organize, he will come with the money. I will let him know. I don't think he has that much though :lol:
That really is no laughing matter though.
 
Noble intentions Ben, just not realistic I'm afraid. As Heavy stated, the start up costs alone would be the first thing that stopped you.

Respect you wanting to help.
 
Powder quality is my number one concern. No powder= No business.
 
Serious question, and this isn't to give myself an excuse, but, how many RC companies do you think have a Mass Spectrometer?

The reason I ask is because, from what I've seen quality wise, I don't think many do. If this business was to take off, and I had the money for it, you can bet your ass I would get one. I'm not going to lie to anyone though and claim testing procedures and methods that I'm actually not implementing. In the beginning, all testing will be done personally.
 
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bigbenj said:
Serious question, and this isn't to give myself an excuse, but, how many RC companies do you think have a Mass Spectrometer?

The reason I ask is because, from what I've seen quality wise, I don't think many do. If this business was to take off, and I had the money for it, you can bet your ass I would get one.
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I know that university's sometimes have students using their equipment for research....
 
Anabolic5150 said:
Noble intentions Ben, just not realistic I'm afraid. As Heavy stated, the start up costs alone would be the first thing that stopped you.

Respect you wanting to help.
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Exactly-to get to the guys with the great powders ( raws) means LARGE orders. Small orders equal lousy raws-the big guys get to eat first. Then it is what is leftover. Heavy is correct on mass spec- you can hire this out- but that is HUGE $$ also. Even the big boyz have trouble with raws. If they are good- is still constant testing. Just my 2 cents Ben-TY-OD
 
I appreciate the input, OD. All of this is being noted. I'm taking all of it into consideration.
 
To start, all testing would have to be done on my 200lb lab rat. I would not sell anything that I wouldn't use for my own personal research.
 
Is it right to assume you have a source you feel you can trust already?
 
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