Revisiting Obama's "church"

[kbm8795]

Ah, so if his "church" is preaching black separatism, and constantly telling its congregation that white people are trying to keep them enslaved, it's irrelevant, and surely wouldn't affect any decisions he might make. He's free to go to a black nationalist church all he wants, but I seriously doubt any white presidential candidate would be a candidate for long if it was discovered he went to a church which states that its members should only support white businesses, white communities, and that euro-centric thought is far superior to afro-centric thought (even though it is true).

In case you can't tell his "church" (notice the quotes) isn't much of a church at all, it appears quite a bit more political than religious, which is why it is so concerning that he attends and is proud of his membership there, and even considers the pastor his 'spiritual advisor.'

Wow...we are real lucky that we've never had any white President who ever attended an all-white "church" with an all-white agenda, huh. . .or one of them all-white churches which repainted the white baby Jesus so that the nativity scenes would be all-white and stuff. . .but shoot, those weren't separatist...why dem black folks made their own christian churches years ago cuz the whites loved having them in their congregations....

And since this Constitution says there is to be no religious litmus test for holding office, why is this clown editorial bringing it up? And why are all of those "conservatives" trying to rewrite the Constitution to claim he has to be an approved Christian when they claim they believe in a literal reading of the document?

 

[clemson357]

I'm not making any judgments based on his race, and I think it's a factor that's getting played up way more than it should be.


When people abuse their freedoms they need to have them taken away. And it's about fucking time it's happened. I'm not saying "guns are bad and nobody should have one" but when so many people use their right to bear arms and then turn around and abuse that right, I'd say it's time for everybody to learn a little lesson.

You are abusing your right to free speech. Now shut the fuck up.

 

[clemson357]

Wow...we are real lucky that we've never had any white President who ever attended an all-white "church" with an all-white agenda, huh. . .or one of them all-white churches which repainted the white baby Jesus so that the nativity scenes would be all-white and stuff. . .but shoot, those weren't separatist...why dem black folks made their own christian churches years ago cuz the whites loved having them in their congregations....

And since this Constitution says there is to be no religious litmus test for holding office, why is this clown editorial bringing it up? And why are all of those "conservatives" trying to rewrite the Constitution to claim he has to be an approved Christian when they claim they believe in a literal reading of the document?

The difference, which you unintentionally highlight, is that any white church which explicitly and unashamedly declared that their first priority was the white population, in this day in age would be considered racist. Moreover, if a white presidential candidate had a long history with that church, it would be all over the mass media.

But we also live in the age of the liberal race double standard, so people such as yourself think that any blatantly discriminatory practice is not racist as long as it benefits a minority.

 

[maniclion]

Oh my word Obama believes in......

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[kbm8795]

The difference, which you unintentionally highlight, is that any white church which explicitly and unashamedly declared that their first priority was the white population, in this day in age would be considered racist. Moreover, if a white presidential candidate had a long history with that church, it would be all over the mass media.

But we also live in the age of the liberal race double standard, so people such as yourself think that any blatantly discriminatory practice is not racist as long as it benefits a minority.

It would? Well shoot. . .have we had any Presidents who were members of all-white churches?

 

[clemson357]

It would? Well shoot. . .have we had any Presidents who were members of all-white churches?

None that I know of that have explicitly said whites are their first priority, at least since segregation.

 

[DOMS]

But we also live in the age of the liberal race double standard, so people such as yourself think that any blatantly discriminatory practice is not racist as long as it benefits a minority.

Spot on.

 

[Gazhole]

From what i can tell from all the way over here in the UK, this election is like choosing which animal's shit you want to eat for dinner.

Good luck guys, i really mean that. It sucks when you want to use your vote to help your country, but there really is very little worth voting for.

If people just separated church and state this would be a non-issue. Whether he is strong enough of character to do that PERSONALLY and not let his Church's racist agenda into his policy while he's in office is yet to be seen.

And thats assuming he gets in at all. I really wouldnt know who vote for here. You can bet your ass it wouldn't be Clinton though, haha.

 

[danzik17]

From what i can tell from all the way over here in the UK, this election is like choosing which animal's shit you want to eat for dinner.

Good luck guys, i really mean that. It sucks when you want to use your vote to help your country, but there really is very little worth voting for.

If people just separated church and state this would be a non-issue. Whether he is strong enough of character to do that PERSONALLY and not let his Church's racist agenda into his policy while he's in office is yet to be seen.

And thats assuming he gets in at all. I really wouldnt know who vote for here. You can bet your ass it wouldn't be Clinton though, haha.

Have to ask - from a foreign perspective, what did you think of Ron Paul while he was still actively in the running? He still is to a degree, but has no chance statistically unless we somehow end up at a brokered convention.

 

[Gazhole]

Have to ask - from a foreign perspective, what did you think of Ron Paul while he was still actively in the running? He still is to a degree, but has no chance statistically unless we somehow end up at a brokered convention.

I find it hard to follow politics at times, but i think he had/has a lot of good ideas. They seem pretty down to earth and not as PC as a lot of other politicians in recent memory.

I think thats important, yknow? To actually have policies and ideas that are viable and make some sort of sense.

I like his stance on immigration and sovereignty and stuff like that. Its great he wants lower taxes and stuff, but they always say they can lower taxes so im skeptical about that, lol.

Didnt he say he's against that "no child left behind" crap aswell? Isnt that the scheme where the kids can take the tests over and over again? Basically eliminating failure?

I honestly dont know a great deal about him, just bits and pieces i've picked up here and there. He doesnt seem to be a 'major player' in this election, at least as far as media coverage is concerned.

 

[kbm8795]

Oh my word Obama believes in......

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[kbm8795]

I find it hard to follow politics at times, but i think he had/has a lot of good ideas. They seem pretty down to earth and not as PC as a lot of other politicians in recent memory.

I think thats important, yknow? To actually have policies and ideas that are viable and make some sort of sense.

I like his stance on immigration and sovereignty and stuff like that. Its great he wants lower taxes and stuff, but they always say they can lower taxes so im skeptical about that, lol.

Didnt he say he's against that "no child left behind" crap aswell? Isnt that the scheme where the kids can take the tests over and over again? Basically eliminating failure?

I honestly dont know a great deal about him, just bits and pieces i've picked up here and there. He doesnt seem to be a 'major player' in this election, at least as far as media coverage is concerned.

The Republicans wouldn't let us have much information about him - people had to seek it out. They sure never let the man talk much during the "debates". . .instead we got to hear all of the rest of the clown car. Same with the Democrats - Edwards seemed to get little time - and the rest of the field even less opportunity to speak.

 

[Gazhole]

The Republicans wouldn't let us have much information about him - people had to seek it out. They sure never let the man talk much during the "debates". . .instead we got to hear all of the rest of the clown car. Same with the Democrats - Edwards seemed to get little time - and the rest of the field even less opportunity to speak.

See that annoys the hell outta me, its like a friggin' popularity concert rather than focusing on what the candidates actually stand for.

I bet if Clinton wasnt married to Bill she wouldnt have got nearly as much attention as she has.

It seems like it was decided who were the "main" candidates right from the offing.

 

[kbm8795]

None that I know of that have explicitly said whites are their first priority, at least since segregation.

I'm assuming here that you don't realize that no laws about segregation applied to private religious institutions. That's why, even in the last century, white churches liked to preach compassion for the black people cuz it wasn't their fault they were born with inferior mental and learning capabilities - God just made them that way.

As for making "whites" their "first priority". . .it was rather obvious. If you weren't white and male, you weren't gonna be President. And the great white daddy was appointed by God to rule over all of the lesser creatures, right? Why, that's kinda why it took so many decades for segregation laws to be struck down in PUBLIC accommodations - cuz the white churches didn't view whites as their "first priority."

 

[kbm8795]

See that annoys the hell outta me, its like a friggin' popularity concert rather than focusing on what the candidates actually stand for.

I bet if Clinton wasnt married to Bill she wouldnt have got nearly as much attention as she has.

It seems like it was decided who were the "main" candidates right from the offing.

Worse...Hillary seems to pretend that chatting up diplomat's wives and sharing tea and crumpets on foreign visits during her husband's administration qualifies as strong foreign policy experience.

Of course, now she is claiming she helped with Northern Ireland's problems and landed in the war-torn, dangerous Yugoslavia (with Sinbad, Cheryl Crow, and Chelsea) to rescue those people. I'm waiting for her videos where she pretends to dodge bullets in Croatia while faith healing the masses and introducing democracy to the Balkans.

It's almost as bad as "war hero" McCain, who allegedly made quite a few little propaganda spots for the North Vietnamese during captivity. Of course, only the GOP would assume that a man, from a military family, who graduated near the bottom of his military school class, crashed three Navy training planes, and never shot anything down before he was blown out of the sky, is the best possible leader we can hope for in a country of 300 million people.
Of course, now he is telling "conservatives" that it has been hard for him to do the "Lord's work" in Washington, the city of "Satan." Of course, he hasn't been in any hurry to LEAVE Washington. I suppose his "Lord's work" included dumping his first wife after she was injured in an automobile accident while he was playing around with the second one.

 

[danzik17]

See that annoys the hell outta me, its like a friggin' popularity concert rather than focusing on what the candidates actually stand for.

I bet if Clinton wasnt married to Bill she wouldnt have got nearly as much attention as she has.

It seems like it was decided who were the "main" candidates right from the offing.

There was a pretty substantial media blackout on Ron Paul for the entire election process. There is also known vote fraud that has not been addressed. Not necessarily in the numbers, but I know in NY state many of the volunteers at the polls were telling people not to vote for RP because he had dropped out, which was a blatant lie. How many votes did he lose because of this kind of behavior?

Lower taxes is very viable also, although I disagree with doing it at this time. In my opinion instead of lowering taxes, we should instead cut spending exactly the way he wanted and use the proceeds to pay down the national debt substantially over the course of the next ten years. I'm talking sub 1 trillion dollar debt levels here. That would do more to "fix" our economy than any stimulus package ever could.

 

[SYN]

Worse...Hillary seems to pretend that chatting up diplomat's wives and sharing tea and crumpets on foreign visits during her husband's administration qualifies as strong foreign policy experience.

Of course, now she is claiming she helped with Northern Ireland's problems and landed in the war-torn, dangerous Yugoslavia (with Sinbad, Cheryl Crow, and Chelsea) to rescue those people. I'm waiting for her videos where she pretends to dodge bullets in Croatia while faith healing the masses and introducing democracy to the Balkans.

It's almost as bad as "war hero" McCain, who allegedly made quite a few little propaganda spots for the North Vietnamese during captivity. Of course, only the GOP would assume that a man, from a military family, who graduated near the bottom of his military school class, crashed three Navy training planes, and never shot anything down before he was blown out of the sky, is the best possible leader we can hope for in a country of 300 million people.
Of course, now he is telling "conservatives" that it has been hard for him to do the "Lord's work" in Washington, the city of "Satan." Of course, he hasn't been in any hurry to LEAVE Washington. I suppose his "Lord's work" included dumping his first wife after she was injured in an automobile accident while he was playing around with the second one.

I think we're going to get along famously.

 

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[danzik17]

Just as a side note to those who are interested:

Many people don't understand the national debt, and not surprisingly so. It's pretty deceptive the way they conduct it. On our current path, our deficits will grow exponentially over the next few years, and that will lead us into a depression that will rival the 1930s.

The way it works is exactly the reverse of how you would do compounding returns in the stock market. Let's use 2007 as an example since data is available for that year. The total spendable revenue for year 2007 was 1.6975 trillion dollars, while the known budget for that year totaled 2.8 trillion dollars. That's not including "emergency appropriations" which are a large source of funding for the current wars, but for the sake of simplicity we'll call it a nice 3 trillion dollar budget.

That means that we have a total deficit for the year 2007 of approximately 1.3025 trillion dollars being added to the national debt. Now for simplicity again, let's call the debt levels at that time 8 trillion dollars at 2% interest rate which is underestimating what it really is. The interest alone on that debt is 160 billion dollars (again, this is UNDERESTIMATING it). That means total deficit levels are now up to at least 1.4625 trillion dollars totaling 9.4625 trillion dollars in this example.

This same amount will be again compounded next year which assuming the same interest rates is now 189.25 billion dollars in additional to whatever the deficit this year is.

That is why I am amazed that not a single politician besides Ron Paul is bringing this topic up. The way we handle our money is ludicrous in this country. If the United States were a corporation, the stock would drop to 0 and it would be being investigated for fraud. How is it that we don't hold our government to the same standards as a corporation?

 

[DOMS]

I think we're going to get along famously.

 

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[iMan323]

McCain scares me, almost as much as Guilliani did.

 

[BigDyl]

Just as a side note to those who are interested:

Many people don't understand the national debt, and not surprisingly so. It's pretty deceptive the way they conduct it. On our current path, our deficits will grow exponentially over the next few years, and that will lead us into a depression that will rival the 1930s.

The way it works is exactly the reverse of how you would do compounding returns in the stock market. Let's use 2007 as an example since data is available for that year. The total spendable revenue for year 2007 was 1.6975 trillion dollars, while the known budget for that year totaled 2.8 trillion dollars. That's not including "emergency appropriations" which are a large source of funding for the current wars, but for the sake of simplicity we'll call it a nice 3 trillion dollar budget.

That means that we have a total deficit for the year 2007 of approximately 1.3025 trillion dollars being added to the national debt. Now for simplicity again, let's call the debt levels at that time 8 trillion dollars at 2% interest rate which is underestimating what it really is. The interest alone on that debt is 160 billion dollars (again, this is UNDERESTIMATING it). That means total deficit levels are now up to at least 1.4625 trillion dollars totaling 9.4625 trillion dollars in this example.

This same amount will be again compounded next year which assuming the same interest rates is now 189.25 billion dollars in additional to whatever the deficit this year is.

That is why I am amazed that not a single politician besides Ron Paul is bringing this topic up. The way we handle our money is ludicrous in this country. If the United States were a corporation, the stock would drop to 0 and it would be being investigated for fraud. How is it that we don't hold our government to the same standards as a corporation?

The Bush Administration is not fiscally conservative. Neoconservatives are fiscally irresponsible and socialy immoral.

 

[MeatZatk]

You are abusing your right to free speech. Now shut the fuck up.

I'm speechless...

 

[Big Smoothy]

McCain scares me, almost as much as Guilliani did.

McCain is linked with Pastor John Hagee.

The "Christian AIPAC" supporter - in his own words.

They both advocated a pre-emtive strik against Iran. Hagee publicy said this was to protect Israel.

What happened to that Iranian nuke program? Oops....the NIE report was released.

 

[kbm8795]

McCain is linked with Pastor John Hagee.

The "Christian AIPAC" supporter - in his own words.

They both advocated a pre-emtive strik against Iran. Hagee publicy said this was to protect Israel.

What happened to that Iranian nuke program? Oops....the NIE report was released.

Ah yes. . .and the way McFlip-flopper explained that speaking at the wingnut evangelical "university" of Falwell's was just the same as speaking at Ohio State University. . . Another hug and a kiss and a wink of the eye for a Republican ayatolluh.

 

[busyLivin]

You are fucked with anyone of those retards.

Am I the only one who hates when non-citizens rip on our President/potential President? I can take it all day from citizens, but the others piss me off to no end: no matter who the next President is, it's still our President.

 

[busyLivin]

so who fives a fuck what religion he is or practices, I know I don't.

If he's an extremist, it's very important. Take his lunatic pastor's preachings (God Damn America, 9/11 is our fault, we're the terrorists, United States of White America) & his own wife's statements (First time I've been proud of this country) and the writing on the wall becomes pretty clear that there is a potential problem with Obama.

I've been going to church every Sunday for years. I just moved to a new location and won't go to the masses held by a particular priest because he's always preaching about amnesty. I don't want to hear that. Regardless.. I've been going to this church for six months & I had this guy pegged after two. Obama is just figuring this out after 20 years? Ridiculous.

He married him; he baptized his children; he called him his mentor. Anyone giving him a pass is blinded. Obama said he's his mentor when he had to have known what he was about. It's absolutely a problem.

 

[lucifuge]

Am I the only one who hates when non-citizens rip on our President/potential President? I can take it all day from citizens, but the others piss me off to no end: no matter who the next President is, it's still our President.

citizen or not, Ian's right, we are fucked regardless of who gets elected.

 

[lucifuge]

It seems like it was decided who were the "main" candidates right from the offing.

Absolutely correct, I find it remarkable that people from other countries get this but the American people are simply too fucking stupid to realize it.
The only two candidates I had ANY hope for were Fred Thompson and Ron Paul... unfortunately, they were both summarily ignored pretty much from the outset.