Right, advice clash therefore cycle dilemma.

[Mags]

Hi guys.

I spoke to the guy who runs the gym I train in to see if he could point me in the right direction of anyone who can get me some gear. Test is all I was initially after. Anyway, we got talking about my experience with enhancers and the like and he stunned me with some of his comments.

Firstly, this guy has competed for years. He has also had countless of bodybuilders comes through his doors - some of which were/are IFBB pros. Therefore I assume he knows his stuff.

Secondly, I have only attained my AAS knowledge I have by reading books, magazines, blogs, and the stuff posted in this forum. Now, this doesn't make me an expert, granted, however, I like to think I've grasped the basics.

Which brings me to his feedback. I said that I was new to pinning and, although having dabbled with prohormones, have never run the rocket fuel that is test. Therefore, I was enquiring into getting some enanthate. The first thing he said was to avoid test like the plague. He said it fucks everyone up. He said you lose a lot of the gains and that something else would be a better option. He also thought my 500mg per week was far too much and that after six weeks, my receptors would be saturated therefore limiting my goals. He then went on to mention stacks. I can't remember specifically what he was saying now, but tren, deca and sus were all mentioned as options.

I explained that as it was my first time, I was reluctant to stack anything - particularly what I'd call the hardcore substances above.

So, my entire thinking and approach to AAS over the years has been shaped by what I read on here. And although lots of people have come and gone with their theories and experiences, the general consensus on first cycles is 500mg of test per week for 10, maybe 12, weeks - that test should always form the base of any cycle. At least to begin with, anyway.

I respect that. But I also respect the guy who runs my gym. However, my idea of what a first cycle should comprise seems to be vastly different from his.

I know this thread is probably a moot point as I've going to have to make a decision by myself - and that will probably be to go with what I've learnt from here - however, it would be good to see what you guys think. Is his advice as preposterous as I initially thought, or has he got a point? Is it purely a US v European stance on AAS? It would be good to get your thoughts.

Cheers.

 

[Roaddkingg]

Interesting

As you stated this goes against everything I have heard. For him to suggest tren , deca and sust is really strange. For several reasons. Deca can give you sides such as deca dick and you really have to know what ai's to use along side it. For some it can really be tricky while others have no need for things like caber, or prami. Sust is a blend of four testoterones which in this case the pinning schedule can be tricky so you keep your levels stable. Tren most generally is only used by those with many cycles under their belt because it has sides aswell for some users. I firmly believe that this guys ideas are off base and goes against everything I know. I believe that test is the base to any cycle and for new guys it is the way to go. More experience users add other things with their test but it is the base. Whether or not everyone looses all or some of their gains depends largly on their training, diet, ai used during cycle and ofcourse their PCT regimine. It's going to be very interesting to see what others post to add to what I have said. I also believe that the 500mgs per week of test is a good starting point for most anyone. A lot of guys go way heavy on their dosages but I am a believer that one can achive really good results on relitvely small doses.

 

[Spunout]

 

[pyes]

This guy don't know shit from a pile of cooked ground beef..lol....You just said, that he said ''to avoid test like the plague....and then you said, he recommended tren, deca and sus were all mentioned as options.
Sus is a blend of 4 testosterone compounds.

 

[martialartsman]

i have been around for many years and tried all sorts of cycles but have mainly had a test base in it. As stated by pyes sust is test no matter which way you look at it. I understand that alot of people like myself use a lot of test in there cycles but its what works for some, others only use enough to keep themselves from having some problems with some sides as stated above. This is against what most people will say but you can grow nice on 250mg wk of test but if im honest im one of those people that thought the more you do the better it is........Anyway mate if i were you i would do a cycle of test e or c and stick to a 12 week and see how that goes. Good luck buddy.

 

[Mags]

Cheers, guys. Like I said, I found his suggestions really puzzling. Had me walking away comtemplating how wrong I must be regarding the basics. Think I'll stick with 500mg enanthate for 10-12 weeks.

 

[MDR]

Cheers, guys. Like I said, I found his suggestions really puzzling. Had me walking away comtemplating how wrong I must be regarding the basics. Think I'll stick with 500mg enanthate for 10-12 weeks.

Test is the way to get started. People tend to over complicate things in the beginning.

 

[XYZ]

Test is the way to get started. People tend to over complicate things in the beginning.

+1 - What he said.

 

[Kazi]

Im new to this. so mates please help me out. I want to do roids. for gain purposes. I am 6 feet tall. 80 kgs. and 20 yeas of age. for me gym has changed my life. i was 16 when i started hitting the gym. i was 5.10 tall and 55 kgs i was very weak , my relatives and friends used to make alot of fun of me. as everyone in my family are healthy beasts except me, atleast now i like myself and i feel proud when im around them .
i have been workng hard but in gym these couple of dudes have surpassed me like hell ,in little amount of time , im sure they are on roids. but hear no one tells you anything nor wants to brief you . so thats why i turned here for help.
i want to do my first cycle. what do you guy refer to or prefer ?
should i do test E , or sustanon 250 ? how much should i do e.g 500mg week ? how many weeks min and max 10 to 12 weeks ? And should i use anything else t stack with it or for beginners a simple on roid would do fine ?
i would be waiting for your necesssary advice

 

[Kazi]

N did i foget to mention that im looking for mass gains with weight

 

[Mags]

Im new to this. so mates please help me out. I want to do roids. for gain purposes. I am 6 feet tall. 80 kgs. and 20 yeas of age. for me gym has changed my life. i was 16 when i started hitting the gym. i was 5.10 tall and 55 kgs i was very weak , my relatives and friends used to make alot of fun of me. as everyone in my family are healthy beasts except me, atleast now i like myself and i feel proud when im around them .
i have been workng hard but in gym these couple of dudes have surpassed me like hell ,in little amount of time , im sure they are on roids. but hear no one tells you anything nor wants to brief you . so thats why i turned here for help.
i want to do my first cycle. what do you guy refer to or prefer ?
should i do test E , or sustanon 250 ? how much should i do e.g 500mg week ? how many weeks min and max 10 to 12 weeks ? And should i use anything else t stack with it or for beginners a simple on roid would do fine ?
i would be waiting for your necesssary advice

You're probably better off starting your own thread dude. You'll maximise your chances of getting responses.

However, it sounds like you need to expand your knowledge on steroids (test e is quite a bit different from Sust etc). Have a look about this forum - particularly in the stickies section - and you'll soon be able to make more educated decisions. Also, I'm guessing you know what you're doing as you've been training since 16, but have a look at some of the different ways of training on here, and work out a bespoke diet to support it (you've obviously gained weight over the years, but that is probably from the combination of training and and growing naturally as that's what adolescent folks do, after all - I 'filled out' naturally between 16 and 19 without so much as picking up a weight or having a specific diet). Once you've exhausted those avenues, then come back to the option of roids. If you feel you've already nailed the above, great, but I still think you should wait a year or so (at least) till you've finished growing naturally. Good luck, dude.

 

[Kazi]

thnks for your oinion . i wil surely check out the forum you hav suggested . its jus that i feel that i hav been trying realy hard in the gym btut its stil not giving me the returns i think one should have

 

[Shadowcam]

As stated already, this guy that runs the gym obviously does not have much knowledge in regards to AAS if he is unaware that sust is test.

 

[Mags]

thnks for your oinion . i wil surely check out the forum you hav suggested . its jus that i feel that i hav been trying realy hard in the gym btut its stil not giving me the returns i think one should have

That sounds like a diet/overtraining issue. When I stopped growing, I went back to the drawing board with my diet and started again. Once that was sorted, I started growing again. Simple yet imperative. Also, we all 'compete' to an extent with other lifters when we train, and it can be demoralising when you see folks overtake you (we've all come back from time off/injury to see the skinny whelps are now seemingly bigger than you ) or seem to grow faster than you do. However, don't get too focused on them. Concentrate on your own training and goals. You'll get there soon enough and you'll enjoy your lifting more.

 

[Mags]

As stated already, this guy that runs the gym obviously does not have much knowledge in regards to AAS if he is unaware that sust is test.

In fairness to the dude, I think I might have been unclear in my post. I think I was still reeling from his 'avoid test' comment to have properly taken in what followed. He mentioned sust, tren and deca as part of stacks, and explained that sust was a combination of different tests. So he had that bit right. However, despite his opinion, I still think a perfect starter cycle should comprise test enan or cyp, with the possible addition of an oral to kickstart.
Cheers for the feedback guys - I was concerned I was going crazy or just hadn't learnt anything in my six years on this board.

 

[Kazi]

lol. thanks mags .
i just personally feel like i have grown up alot , considering what i used to be before . i jus feel like that now i need that extra bit of push , that extra bit of motivation lol. which i think a cycle would help me in doing. im nt rushin up into any thing. im just giving it a thought and wanted you guys opinions which cold realy help me out.
i hav searched ait , doing research regarding roids.
many people prefer a test enanthate 250 mg x2 a per week for 12 weeks max n then pct for your first cycle ..
and i hav also seen people prefer sustanon instead . i know the differences . sustanon consists of 4 tests. n is for gains purposes. which i refer at the moment. stil if i do think about my first cycle . would you prefer it to be test e or sustanon ? its jus that people prefer sustanon more.
and a cycle of 250mg sust E3D. for 12 weeks . n after last injection. 2 weeks rest n then pct ? use clomid for 4 weeks . ??? n maybe d-bol 30mg per day for 4 weeks jus to kick start things ? wt do u say ?