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roid rage on SD....
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That's my line
my bad I forgot to cite my references. "If your a dick before you use gear, your going to be a dick on gear" (The man himself, Mr. Flex)Flex said:That's my line
gococksDJS said:my bad I forgot to cite my references. "If your a dick before you use gear, your going to be a dick on gear" (The man himself, Mr. Flex)
NOW it's official, thanks bro hahaha
Wow.
This is absolutely fucking ridiculous.
Show me one, ONE, goddamned neurotransmitter or hormone that can be absolutely manipulated without consequence.
Hint: you can't.
Properly administered means nothing. HRT is a world apart from achieving supraphysiological concentrations. Let alone with an androgen - or any analogue - where little is known, and a modest effect is sought.
There are neurosteroids, too - point being, androgens most definitely have an influence on behavior, through mechanisms we are not fully certain of. "Coke rage" would be a myth, if it was presented as though anyone doing a line - any amount of coke - would automatically - inevitably - led to undesirable behavior.
In that context, "roid rage" is a myth. Translated:
Steroids won't automatically lead you to beat up your wife, mother, grandmother, and children.
The idea that androgen impact our behavior - especially and unpredictably so, when it comes to high doses, and foreign analogues - is most definitely NOT a myth. Especially if you have psychological issues to begin with. Even ephedrine and caffeine can have undesirable consequences in susceptible individuals - anxiety, irritability, and so on. Irritability via ephedrine - I guess that's solely due to an increase in blood pressure. Yes, I gather androgen hormones are the exception. Dig up any study you wish; know one thing, context is everything.
To sit here and tell this person that it can't be due to the androgen is sickening. If he called it "roid rage," it's probably because he had no other way to conceive of it. That doesn't mean that we have to be so damned stupid to sit here and think that he automatically pagacked the entire misconception of "roid rage" into his concerns.
And it's old hat that testosterone has beneficial effects. So does NE, dopamine, and serotonin. None of those hormones are categorically "good." Androgen hormones aren't an exception. I know! Who knew!
This is absolutely fucking ridiculous.
Show me one, ONE, goddamned neurotransmitter or hormone that can be absolutely manipulated without consequence.
Hint: you can't.
Properly administered means nothing. HRT is a world apart from achieving supraphysiological concentrations. Let alone with an androgen - or any analogue - where little is known, and a modest effect is sought.
There are neurosteroids, too - point being, androgens most definitely have an influence on behavior, through mechanisms we are not fully certain of. "Coke rage" would be a myth, if it was presented as though anyone doing a line - any amount of coke - would automatically - inevitably - led to undesirable behavior.
In that context, "roid rage" is a myth. Translated:
Steroids won't automatically lead you to beat up your wife, mother, grandmother, and children.
The idea that androgen impact our behavior - especially and unpredictably so, when it comes to high doses, and foreign analogues - is most definitely NOT a myth. Especially if you have psychological issues to begin with. Even ephedrine and caffeine can have undesirable consequences in susceptible individuals - anxiety, irritability, and so on. Irritability via ephedrine - I guess that's solely due to an increase in blood pressure. Yes, I gather androgen hormones are the exception. Dig up any study you wish; know one thing, context is everything.
To sit here and tell this person that it can't be due to the androgen is sickening. If he called it "roid rage," it's probably because he had no other way to conceive of it. That doesn't mean that we have to be so damned stupid to sit here and think that he automatically pagacked the entire misconception of "roid rage" into his concerns.
And it's old hat that testosterone has beneficial effects. So does NE, dopamine, and serotonin. None of those hormones are categorically "good." Androgen hormones aren't an exception. I know! Who knew!
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Hey Dante, elevated testosterone levels directly causing increased aggression has never been clinically proven in homo sapiens. It has in monkeys, but not humans. You sound like my parents when they found a pack of cigarettes under my bed when I was 12.
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Ratings in anger/hostility significantly increased in young men receiving testosterone in a double-blind study (from 7.48 to 10.71 on the rating scale), even at the dose used for contraception:
J Clin Endocrinol Metab. 2004 Jun;89(6):2837-45.
Effects of testosterone on mood, aggression, and sexual behavior in young men: a double-blind, placebo-controlled, cross-over study.
O'Connor DB, Archer J, Wu FC.
Department of Endocrinology, Manchester Royal Infirmary, United Kingdom. d.b.o'connor@leeds.ac.uk
The prospects of wider application of testosterone (T) in novel indications such as male contraception have prompted renewed interest in the investigation of nonreproductive actions and safety of androgens. This study investigated potential changes in mood and behavior in response to elevations in circulating T concentrations produced by the new long-acting preparation, T undecanoate (TU). Twenty-eight eugonadal men were randomized into one of two treatment groups: A1) active, receiving 1000 mg TU i.m. followed by A2) washout, followed by A3) placebo, receiving 4 ml castor oil i.m.; B1) placebo, 4 ml castor oil i.m.; B2) washout followed by B3) active, receiving 1000 mg TU i.m.. Mood, self- and partner-reported physical and verbal aggression, anger, hostility, irritability, assertiveness, self-esteem, and sexual function were assessed. A single injection of 1000 mg TU i.m. increased plasma T concentrations from 20.7 +/- 1.5 to 37.5 +/- 2.2 nmol/liter at wk 1 and 31.6 +/- 1.5 nmol/liter at wk 2, and estradiol from 74.0 +/- 4.9 to 120.4 +/- 10.7 pmol/liter at wk 1, and 100.0 +/- 6.3 pmol/liter at wk 2. The T increment was associated with detectable but minor mood changes. Increased circulating T was associated with significant increases in anger-hostility from baseline (mean score = 7.48) to wk 2 (mean score = 10.71) accompanied by an overall reduction in fatigue-inertia (treatment = 6.21 vs. placebo = 7.84). TU treatment did not increase aggressive behavior or induce any changes in nonaggressive or sexual behavior. Changes in estradiol were not associated with any behavioral alterations. Our results suggest that exogenous TU-induced elevation of circulating T, to the range likely to be used in hormonal male contraception, has limited psychological effects. Future research should investigate the implications of these minor mood changes.
J Clin Endocrinol Metab. 2004 Jun;89(6):2837-45.
Effects of testosterone on mood, aggression, and sexual behavior in young men: a double-blind, placebo-controlled, cross-over study.
O'Connor DB, Archer J, Wu FC.
Department of Endocrinology, Manchester Royal Infirmary, United Kingdom. d.b.o'connor@leeds.ac.uk
The prospects of wider application of testosterone (T) in novel indications such as male contraception have prompted renewed interest in the investigation of nonreproductive actions and safety of androgens. This study investigated potential changes in mood and behavior in response to elevations in circulating T concentrations produced by the new long-acting preparation, T undecanoate (TU). Twenty-eight eugonadal men were randomized into one of two treatment groups: A1) active, receiving 1000 mg TU i.m. followed by A2) washout, followed by A3) placebo, receiving 4 ml castor oil i.m.; B1) placebo, 4 ml castor oil i.m.; B2) washout followed by B3) active, receiving 1000 mg TU i.m.. Mood, self- and partner-reported physical and verbal aggression, anger, hostility, irritability, assertiveness, self-esteem, and sexual function were assessed. A single injection of 1000 mg TU i.m. increased plasma T concentrations from 20.7 +/- 1.5 to 37.5 +/- 2.2 nmol/liter at wk 1 and 31.6 +/- 1.5 nmol/liter at wk 2, and estradiol from 74.0 +/- 4.9 to 120.4 +/- 10.7 pmol/liter at wk 1, and 100.0 +/- 6.3 pmol/liter at wk 2. The T increment was associated with detectable but minor mood changes. Increased circulating T was associated with significant increases in anger-hostility from baseline (mean score = 7.48) to wk 2 (mean score = 10.71) accompanied by an overall reduction in fatigue-inertia (treatment = 6.21 vs. placebo = 7.84). TU treatment did not increase aggressive behavior or induce any changes in nonaggressive or sexual behavior. Changes in estradiol were not associated with any behavioral alterations. Our results suggest that exogenous TU-induced elevation of circulating T, to the range likely to be used in hormonal male contraception, has limited psychological effects. Future research should investigate the implications of these minor mood changes.
PreMier said:
Given that Cock's reading comprehension is that piss poor, he probably thought that the abstract was in support of his untenable position.
If I sound like anyone's parent, it's probably because you're too damn stupid to be treated like adults.
And thanks, sugar britches. I'd fuck me, too.
And it case it wasn't clear - the issue isn't one of anger, hostility, or "aggression." Which is to say, there's no need to start from the myth of "roid rage," and it is indeed a myth, as conceived and presented.
But the opposite position is even more ridiculous than that. Yes, the take home point was: Steroids are bad! Don't use them!
But the opposite position is even more ridiculous than that. Yes, the take home point was: Steroids are bad! Don't use them!
I wish like hell he would speak in englishDante B. said:And it case it wasn't clear - the issue isn't one of anger, hostility, or "aggression." Which is to say, there's no need to start from the myth of "roid rage," and it is indeed a myth, as conceived and presented.
But the opposite position is even more ridiculous than that. Yes, the take home point was: Steroids are bad! Don't use them!
LMAO.................Oddly, I hear enough of that I understand!Dante B. said:
kinda lethargic, pumps get painful sometimes, and pissin 2 or 3 times during the night is annoying.......started 4derm 400mg/day to try to counteract some of this shit, other than that gained about 10 lbs sound far, eatin clean........its been good to me.... doin 3on/2off/3on/2off/PCTCardinal said:
Kick ass.lazar said:
Dante B. said:
You wanna go Navyguy!?
From my experience and those I have seen cycle testosterone and other various steroids, there is unquestionably the potential for increased aggressive thoughts. Someone without the control to keep from acting on those thoughts shouldn't do steroids, IMO. As far as counteracting it, I find that Valium does wonders for me. I highly recommend it. It is a much better way to chill out than smoking pot--though I am not against this. I don't touch it because I prefer to be mentally sharp. My first cycle would have much less pleasant without my little blue pills. 
I wonder if the agression is from the Test or if it's because they're bigger and think they're tougher
Multi Vitamins give me roid rage. 
iMan323 said:
vaporisers? where do i get one?
