Rookie First Time Stack - Super-Dmz Mass Stack w/ Formeron

[xpop2027]

Super DMZ (Dimethazine & Methylstenbolone) is one bad-ass combination of steroids. They are exremely potent and will result in hard, rapid gains in size & strength.

You do NOT need an AI when using Super DMZ, as so many others have stated. If anything, a AI may further exacerbate side effects by excessively reducing estrogen. Because Super DMZ is suppressive of natural test production (as all all steroids), there won't be as much testosterone available for conversion into estrogen. Under normal circumstances, it would take a few weeks to reduce estrogen to deficient levels, but by adding an anti-estrogen, estrogen levels will drop immediately and remain there througout the entire ycle. Having excessively low estrogen levels for weeks on end is likely to result in additional side effects, such as sexual dysfunction.

As far as testosterone goes, most people prefer to use test with their orals, but it is not necessary when running very short cycles. Many, many people have run 4 week DMZ cycles without experiencing symtoms associated with testosterone & estrogen deficiency. This is likely because of the short cycle length, which doesn't give the body much time to react to reduced levels of these hormones.

Thanks Mike,

So do you think I should run the AI for PCT or take it out all together? In regards to the Anabolic Matrix RX, the bottles says take 2 caps twice a day (4 total), but I have seen other in this forum state that they are taking only 2 caps a day (2 total)... which would you recommend? I have also seen people running e-control for the last two weeks of their PCT.. I set it up to run for the full PCT, thoughts? How about the 40/40/20/20 Nolva? Finally, any thoughts on running Ultra male RX + Anabolic Matrix rx throughout the full cycle and post?

Thanks again!

 

[xpop2027]

I ended up taking some of the direction listed above. I added test base to this. I believe went something like

Weeks 1-4 Test Prop 100mg EOD
Weeks 1-6 Test E 600mg weekly (m,t)
Weeks 7-8 Test E 800mg weekly (m,t)
Weeks 9-10 Test E 1000mg weekly (m,t)
Weeks 9-12 SuperDMZ 2.0 (1 am / 1 pm)
Weeks 1-12 Aromasin (12.5 to 25mg ED)

Cruise after on TRT dose

If not cruising you could finish like this:

Weeks 13-16 Clomid 75/50/50/50
Weeks 13-16 Nolva 40/40/20/20
Weeks 13-16 Aromasin (12.5mg ED)

I put on some solid gains with this and only lost about 5-7 lbs long after and maintained rest of 44 lbs added (yes was still newbie gains after a long cut and at my smallest before beginning)

I did find all went perfect but my body didn't like the DMZ as much as I wanted it to and quit it after 2.5 weeks.

Dude AWESOME gains! I am going to run that cycle next.

 

[Mike Arnold]

After 2 weeks I had really bad strain on liver. I was using some liver supps but didn't seem to help plus was drinking min of a gallon a day of water or more while taking this to help with pain. After another 1/2 a week I said fuck it gonna stop the DMZ and see how I feel. Within 48-72 hours starting feeling great again yet nothing else was changed. I still have 3.5 bottles of it and will try again in future cycle.

How do you know? Did you get bloodwork...or are you just guessing based on the way you felt? Some people don't feel great taking certain kinds of orals, but this is not necessarily an indication of liver stress.

 

[Johnyb]

Dude AWESOME gains! I am going to run that cycle next.

I forgot I ended up doing 20 week bulk there. The first 4 weeks was natural bulk and rest of gains from cycle.

 

[Johnyb]

How do you know? Did you get bloodwork...or are you just guessing based on the way you felt? Some people don't feel great taking certain kinds of orals, but this is not necessarily an indication of liver stress.

Yes went to doc and liver was messed. I couldn't lift or nothing anymore the pain was that bad. I was doubled over in pain daily. I wasn't drinking on cycle or anything to cause more undue harm.

 

[Mike Arnold]

Yes went to doc and liver was messed. I couldn't lift or nothing anymore the pain was that bad. I was doubled over in pain daily. I wasn't drinking on cycle or anything to cause more undue harm.

What were your numbers? All orals will elevate liver enzymes...this is normal and does not necesarily signify "damage". The liver is designed to accomodate toxins; this is its job. As long as liver enzymes do not get too high for too long, all is fine. In addition, and I am not trying to undermine or invalidate your experience by saying this, but the liver generally does not "hurt" just because enzymes are elevated. Even those people who are expriencing full-blown liver failure generally dont feel liver "pain". My guess is whatever you were feeling was caused by something else. Lastly, if your liver enzymes had been elevated into a range considered dangerous by the medical establishment and actual damage was being done (which means it is something the liver couldn't deal with on its own) , you would have been hospitalized and subjected to various detoxification treatments. Obviously, this did not take place.

The reason I have stringly quesioned your post is not to argue with you, but because posts like that give potentia customers the wrong idea about these products. I am 100% convinced your liver enzymes were within what would be conidered a normal range for an oral steroid user. It is not uncommon to see some people freaking out about liver readings considerd perfectly normal for an oral steroid user, especially when the coctor says something like "man, you've got to get off those steroids...your liver readings are through the roof"...or something similar. Doctors will always overexagerate the dangers. The fact you were released without undergoing any treatment whatsoever indicates you were in no danger. Obviously, the liver could handle the steroids you were using. This will be proven a few weeks from now when your liver enzymes return completely to normal. Keep in mind that if you decide to use oral again in the future, this is how they work.

 

[Mike Arnold]

Thanks Mike,

So do you think I should run the AI for PCT or take it out all together? In regards to the Anabolic Matrix RX, the bottles says take 2 caps twice a day (4 total), but I have seen other in this forum state that they are taking only 2 caps a day (2 total)... which would you recommend? I have also seen people running e-control for the last two weeks of their PCT.. I set it up to run for the full PCT, thoughts? How about the 40/40/20/20 Nolva? Finally, any thoughts on running Ultra male RX + Anabolic Matrix rx throughout the full cycle and post?

Thanks again!

Generally speaking, I don't think it is a good idea to use an AI right from the start of PCT if your estrogen level is already very low. The whole point of using an AI during PCT is to help further increase test production by removing the inhibitory influence of estrogen, but if estrogen levels are already deficient, there won't be any estrogen-induced inhibition, negating the need for an AI at that time.

Now, as your PCT progresses, estrogen levels may rise to the point where a low-dose AI could be useful, but only bloodwork could tell you for sure.

If estrogen levels are above normal at the start of PCT, then adding in an AI right off the bat is a good idea.