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Long story on Ginseng...there are Ginsenosides "a" thru ???...towards 'g' and 'h', they are (as they isolate these)considered "anabolic"....but I'd say on a kindergarten level!
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Yes, but technically they are plant steroids, my little joke. 
Yams also contain plant steroids, didn't know that.
http://www.rain-tree.com/dioscorea.htm
Yams also contain plant steroids, didn't know that.
http://www.rain-tree.com/dioscorea.htm
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Originally posted by Mudge
Yes, but technically they are plant steroids, my little joke.
Yams also contain plant steroids, didn't know that.
http://www.rain-tree.com/dioscorea.htm
While ginseng has phytosterols; campesterol, beta-sitosterol, stigmasterol...etc....and those are basically worthless except for prostate and cholesterol problems...there are mechanisms effecting the HPTA axis, that allow for hormonal change...however minor!
Yams contain diosgenin, which has some benefits for women as a phyto-sterol...but unfortunately can not be converted in the body into progesterone as many believe.....we simply do not possess the proper enzymes!
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Someone posted on another board something like, "why do steroids when ginsing does the same thing", LoL... I think they were stuck in 1990.
Someone posted on another board something like, "why do steroids when ginsing does the same thing", LoL... I think they were stuck in 1990.
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avanar is the safest!
Don't kid yourself. There are no safe steriods!
Yes that is true! But NONE are free from side effects, and I think I can add 1-test and 4-ad topicals to that list now seeing how strong they are!
Anavar is not known for being great for putting on weight either, if you do things right the side effects are slightly depressed natural test which is why you have recovery and time between cycles.
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Hi there
I have read that the safest and gentlest injectable steroid is Primobolan Depot. It has so little side effects that some pros use it to bridge in between their heavier mass cycles. They inject 1 vial (200 mg)per week. Its effects are such that you keep increasing your muscle mass slowly and evenly, and the gains are permanent.
Using it between cycles will prevent the famous catabolic state that happens commonly in the weeks after you terminate a cycle, when you see a loss of some body weight.
It stacks very well with Winstrol during a cutting cycle.
Bye all.
Hi there
I have read that the safest and gentlest injectable steroid is Primobolan Depot. It has so little side effects that some pros use it to bridge in between their heavier mass cycles. They inject 1 vial (200 mg)per week. Its effects are such that you keep increasing your muscle mass slowly and evenly, and the gains are permanent.
Using it between cycles will prevent the famous catabolic state that happens commonly in the weeks after you terminate a cycle, when you see a loss of some body weight.
It stacks very well with Winstrol during a cutting cycle.
Bye all.
Gains can be "permanent" because they are slow in coming, and thats provided you eat right. It will still degrade your natural test levels as will anything, if you really care then DO NOT BRIDGE. However even women use Primo, 100mg or sometimes more.
As for winny, I won't touch it
As for winny, I won't touch it
I already have problems with my left arm if I lift heavy (~5 reps) for extended periods of time (3 days or so I have problems), I am not going to compete, so I don't want to risk ripping myself to peices.
National competitor on another board recently detatched on of his forearm muscles doing reverse grip rows.
National competitor on another board recently detatched on of his forearm muscles doing reverse grip rows.
Almost any steroid can be safe! You think endocrinologists are putting their HRT (We're talking men here) in danger by giving them testosterone? The trick is not to fall into the "more is better" trap. Primo at 300-400mg a week should be fairly safe and low on sides (that's 3-4 amps), test around 400-500mg a week is similarly not usually a problem (though if you are gyno prone, forget it). EQ is another mild one.. anavar likewise.
However, orals are liver toxic usually, so I'd say avoid them... deca is HORRIBLE for post cycle recovery, tren is simply too androgenic to be considered "safe", the list goes on. Basically, EQ, primo, and anavar are your best bets.
However, orals are liver toxic usually, so I'd say avoid them... deca is HORRIBLE for post cycle recovery, tren is simply too androgenic to be considered "safe", the list goes on. Basically, EQ, primo, and anavar are your best bets.
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sideaffects are relative
lets keep in mind every steroid has some form of sideaffect, how it effects you will depend on many things which are personal to your body type and genetic make up. you must decide for yourself if the pros outweigh the cons and enter this thing with your eyes wide open because there is no timeout. if i was to recommend a starter cycle it would be orally taken dbol it works well for lean mass and is not as toxic as most, a good place to begin if you feel you must.
lets keep in mind every steroid has some form of sideaffect, how it effects you will depend on many things which are personal to your body type and genetic make up. you must decide for yourself if the pros outweigh the cons and enter this thing with your eyes wide open because there is no timeout. if i was to recommend a starter cycle it would be orally taken dbol it works well for lean mass and is not as toxic as most, a good place to begin if you feel you must.
Testosterone is VERY safe at reasonable dosages
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I wonder if most guys are watching and are even still here since 2002.
weldingman
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Heavy? What is a reasonable dosage of Test? just wondering what your take is on it.
ya i am courious to! on what is a reasonable dose?
600mg T weekly has few sides. Lipids start to be negatively affected but still remain in normal ranges. I have no problems with guys running 600mg T for life as long as they get regular labs, physicals and use an AI.
so u are saying as long as u run a sound AI you could run 500 mg test for life! allmost like a HRT?
VictorZ06
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Agreed. It's also why most of us suggest running a test only cycle to novice users.
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weldingman
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I have ran test c before by itself just to feel better and I ran 6 to 750mg's a wk, but during a big cycle with different aas, 800 to 1500mg wk for 12 to 15 wks.
Any testosterone ester is safe. It's base it what you make in your nut sack. Your body knows what to do with it. It's what gave you a hard on when you were 13 just looking at the girl next door tanning. 500 mg Testosterone ester plus 12.5 mg Aromasin EOD and you have a safe cycle that will give you 5-6 times your normal amount of test, quite enough to build lots and lots of muscle. Very few side effects. Maybe a few pimples. Blood work should be fine for a good 12 weeks on this bit. After that the main thing to worry about is to many red blood cells. But by then you are ready for PCT and your done. Plus just about any AAS does that to your blood.
Just give blood every 6 months
I know a few guys who have gone over 10 years doing just that.
