Schwarzenegger Urges Steroid Crackdown

[musclepump]

to maintain size and get down to 3% bf, unless you are a serious genetic freak, you need drugs.

have you ever been to an "all natural" bodybuilding show?

Haha ... nope, never been. What am I missing?

 

[Arnold]

Haha ... nope, never been. What am I missing?

well, no one looks like an IFBB pro.

 

[musclepump]

well, no one looks like an IFBB pro.

Obviously, but I would think they could still come in pretty shredded.

 

[Arnold]

you're a difficult one aren't you....

if you put the best all natural pro bodybuilders on stage at the Arnold or Olympia it would look like they did not even lift weights in a side by side comparison shot, it would be like a high school football team playing an NFL team, a complete joke.

do not get me wrong, I would love to see bodybuilding be natural, but I cannot say that I would be very interested in watching or paying to see a pro show if it were. take drugs out of the NFL and it would be the about the same thing, the level of performance would drop considerably and it would not be very entertaining when we are used to it's current level.

 

[gr81]

Oh, I'm sorry, natural growth and evolution in height and weight is the same as taking anabolic steroids?

I must have forgot.

your right, it isn't quite a directly linear analogy, butI was using it to make teh point of how irrational it would be to alter the sport in order to let kids aspirations be more possible. Understand what I am saying? Its not for the kids, and steroids or no steroids, the average child has no hope of being a pro. Genetics are a much bigger part of the pot than the drugs

 

[musclepump]

We've had a discussion on this board about how the drugs are way more important than genetics, but I won't go back into that game.

And DiMaggio, I wasn't talking about size, I was simply talking about being cut/shredded without T3/Clen.

 

[gr81]

We've had a discussion on this board about how the drugs are way more important than genetics, but I won't go back into that game

genetics are a much larger factor in determining size and strength imo. There are lots of guys out there on drugs that still ain't shit, the drugs are not an atuomatic pass to success by any means. I am not sure what you mean by more important though, more important to what? BTW genetics also play a role in how a person responds to AAS use in the first place..

 

[Arnold]

I have always said genetics were most important and I feel that IFBB pros posess great genetics and that combined with drugs (and of course the discipline, drive, etc.) is what gets them to that point.

 

[gococksDJS]

genetics are a much larger factor in determining size and strength imo. There are lots of guys out there on drugs that still ain't shit, the drugs are not an atuomatic pass to success by any means. I am not sure what you mean by more important though, more important to what? BTW genetics also play a role in how a person responds to AAS use in the first place..

great point. Look at Flex Wheeler's waist. You can't get that from drugs.

 

[Rich46yo]

Its unfortunate that the spectre of roid use and abuse over shadow the true herculean efforts that are behind the building of the bodies in the sport. Then again, the ones giving most of the effort, are the ones sticking needles in their rumps so often. I think that the reason BB has continued to succeed in some way is due to being attached to the general fitness wave, which continues to prosper because Americans have an affinity for sticking their snouts in the trough.

But as a sport? No i dont think so. As long as this stuff goes on it will continue to be a glorified freak show. I mean to anyone whos been around steroid users its just so obvious not only whos using them, but also to what extent. Its sort of like being around Drunks. Eventually you can guess their BAC to a great degree of accuracy.

And they have taken drugs out of the NFL. For 12 years for Gods sake. Not completely, there will always be some use and mis-use. I mean read the policy before you post. http://www.nflpa.org/Members/main.asp?subpage=Anabolic+Steroids

Now imagine something like that in BB? Why is that so hard to do and why would the competitors be less entertaining?.............Rich

 

[JoeR.]

Now imagine something like that in BB? Why is that so hard to do and why would the competitors be less entertaining?.............Rich

That is been discussed. They wouldn't be nearly as big or ripped. This doesnt ever get threw to anyone, mabye Rob can post some pics of a REAL natural show. The guys in the crowd would be bigger than the guys on stage, not cool.

 

[Arnold]

And they have taken drugs out of the NFL. For 12 years for Gods sake. Not completely, there will always be some use and mis-use. I mean read the policy before you post.

that is very naive to believe, I would say 90% of NFL players use steroids.

 

[Tha Don]

And they have taken drugs out of the NFL. For 12 years for Gods sake. Not completely, there will always be some use and mis-use.

sorry to spoil things for you but all the NFL guys are on juice man!

 

[mrguy]

If people want to do roids, then more power to them. They are the ones who have to deal with the unpleasant side effects that can occur after many years of use.

I myself do not strive to look like Ronnie Coleman. His head looks way to small for his freakish body. Impressive yes, what I want to look like no. I would rather look more like Zane Grey when he beat Arnie in the Mr Universe contest.

Until the judging gets changed from voting for the most massive, roids will always be a part of the professional BB game. After the Olmympia I ran into Mike Katz who is was one of the judges and he commented that Ronnie was just to massive to be beat. That tells you a lot about what the judges are looking for.

As far as Arnie doing roids, what they did back then does not even come close to what these guys do today.

 

[musclepump]

And not to mention when Arnold was on roids, they were legal!

 

[Rich46yo]

sorry to spoil things for you but all the NFL guys are on juice man!

Young your not spoiling anything for me. I couldnt give a darn about pro-sports. Any of them! In the summer my kid is on a traveling basball team and plays 60 games. I'd rather watch the kids play and havnt been to a MLB game in a decade. I havnt been to a NFL game since 1977.

And no doubt there are some player still using roids. But they are very few. The testing is very strict, and it includes randoms as well as heavy suspensions. There is no doubt the NFL has cleaned up its act but I still see BB's in denial over this too because its makes them feel better to point out "other sports" are heavy abuser too. The same thing with that Barry Bonds babble about nicotine and alchohol, but what he cant explain is what one thing has to do with the other.

And Bob keeps pulling these numbers out of the hat doesnt he. And as always he's short on facts and proof................Rich

 

[Maynard Keenan]

Id Vote For Schwarz For President. Didnt He Used To Smoke Weed Too And Inhaled

 

[TrojanMan60563]

If drugs were taken out of BBing then guys like Dexter Jackson would still be in the sport but as a lightweight....IMO that guy is only where he is size wise because of the drugs he does. He is one of those skinny kids that can't put on size eating half a cow a day...but add lots of food along with lots of drugs and anyone can grow.

And I've been to a few natural shows and I think they are almost a joke...tickets would not sell like they do now if things were natural because the guys on stage look like they are in the offseason compaired to a juiced BBer....I couldn't believe some of the guys were even on stage.....don't get me wrong I'm sure some of the pros would still look good natural, but not even close to what they look like now.

 

[Witmaster]

I heard a great interview with Arnold on the Sean Hannity show. Arnold really does make a good case for his stance against Steriod use. One thing he pointed out was that the quantity of steroid intake was so miniscule in comparison to the truckloads of chemicals the pro bodybuilders take in today. Additionally, Arnold voiced his alarmed concern over the use of Steroids in kids.

I'm sure some could argue that Arnold is being a hypocrite but honestly, I think he made a good case. Sure, some might argue there are political overtones in his message but honestly, politics aside, he does make a pretty compelling case for his position.

 

[soxmuscle]

I don't understand how 90% of the NFL is on steroids yet only a scarce amount get punished. It might be another argument within itself, but how is it that David Boston gets fined/suspended etc. but no other player does all of last year. Obviously steroids and supplements alike are part of the game, but I just don't see the percentage as being that high.

 

[JerseyDevil]

I would rather look more like Zane Grey when he beat Arnie in the Mr Universe contest.

Zane Grey??? He was an author of Western novels at the turn of the century. I think you mean Frank Zane. Been studying literary classics lately?

 

[Rich46yo]

BodyBuilding would be a magnificent sport without the drugs. And I believe it would take its rightfull place as a true sport and not a freak show. I really dont understand the fear many BBs have over a drug free sport. Without the drugs the emphasis would be on the skill, the training, and the unbelievable effort it takes to build such a body..............Rich

 

[musclepump]

I think it's hilarious that the IFBB has been talking about wanting to become an Olympic sport. Unless they ban the gear, there's no chance in hell. My friends who have competed in the Olympics can't even take Aspirin because they would test positive.

 

[Arnold]

BodyBuilding would be a magnificent sport without the drugs. And I believe it would take its rightfull place as a true sport and not a freak show. I really dont understand the fear many BBs have over a drug free sport. Without the drugs the emphasis would be on the skill, the training, and the unbelievable effort it takes to build such a body..............Rich

I fail to see how bodybuilding would be any different with or without drugs other than smaller bodybuilders...I think you're confused.

 

[Flex]

Arnold really does make a good case for his stance against Steriod use. One thing he pointed out was that the quantity of steroid intake was so miniscule in comparison to the truckloads of chemicals the pro bodybuilders take in today. Additionally, Arnold voiced his alarmed concern over the use of Steroids in kids.

I'm sure some could argue that Arnold is being a hypocrite but honestly, I think he made a good case. Sure, some might argue there are political overtones in his message but honestly, politics aside, he does make a pretty compelling case for his position.

You honestly believe Arnold took "miniscule" amounts of steroids. Think again, my friend. Sure, he wasn't "on" all year round like these guys, and he wasn't taking GH and huge stacks at once, but don't be fooled. Those guys did plenty of their own share back in the day.

The reason these guys are on truckloads of chemicals is because, whether you like it or not, today's BB fanbase wants the Mass Monsters. As much as people say they don't, EVERYONE wants to see a massive Ronnie Coleman onstage more than a "skinny" Darrem Charles. Do i think that's right? Do i think judges should judge with size in mind? No, but it's almost always been about raw size. You wanna know why Ronnie's gut is so big and not as aesthetically pleasing as say Dexter Jackson's? Look at the rest of his fucking body! The guy is a MONSTER. There's no way you can be that big and have a tiny ass waist. Again, i don't neccesarily agree with it, but size is what companies sell magazines, supplements and shows with.

About the NFL, there's no way in hell 90% of the guys are juicin'.

And finally, about Arnold's campaign on kids' use. Sure he is correct here. But EVERYone knows that steroid use is bad for kids, with the exception of some kids.

But that absolutely does not make a direct correlation with banning steroid use in the IFBB. Do you not want your kids to juice? Then fucking educate them. Don't take away a person's God-given right to inject steroids into their body so they can make a living.

Change and simple understanding start with PARENTS, people. Don't blame celebs for living their own lives.

 

[Witmaster]

You make some good points Flex but what I said was, "miniscule in comparison...".

I'd like to add, my paraphrase does not give Arnold's interview any justice at all. Perhaps you can hear it again on a rebroadcast sometime. I'm sure Hannity will probably have segments of it available in his website soon.

Anyhow, it was a good interview.

Cheers

 

[musclepump]

The problem I see is that the IFBB thinks it's bigger than it is. Steroids are illegal in the United States. Period. Therefore, there should be rules against them in competition.

 

[musclepump]

And to return something to your assumption that EVERYONE wants to see a Ronnie over a Dexter, I don't. I'd rather see a hundred guys the size of Dexter, Kris and Gustavo before guys that are as "Monstrous" as Coleman.

 

[vegman]

I would love to see the IFBB become a group of people striving to look like Frank Zane; as opposed to prize winning bulls.

 

[Flex]

The problem I see is that the IFBB thinks it's bigger than it is. Steroids are illegal in the United States. Period. Therefore, there should be rules against them in competition.

No, the IFBB is the INTERNATIONAL Federation of BB. Period.
And steroids aren't illegal in most other countries.

Besides, Pro BB would suck if there was no steroids. That's what they have natural shows for.