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Healthcare should not be a right but a privilege. There is no reason to keep someone on gov't assistance for their entire life. What will drive the poor not to be poor any more when their are so many programs that allows them to live comfortably and not have a worry about bills. There are individuals in the state of CA collecting an a total of 6k in goods including assistance with food, medical, welfare, additional money for kids with "ADD" financial aid (and their not students) grants and ect. How many of them are putting in the time to work multiple jobs and strive to better them selves? The answer is very few, yes there are some, but very few.

Welfare should be time sensitive, you have two years to get your shit together and show an improvement in your life style. Does not mean your off welfare just a progression to get off. I.e trade school, education, new job and ect. If the progression strops then you lose assistance from the gov't and now have to rely on community welfare and what your community offers.

We enable people to live off of the system with no motivation to ever get off of it. Politicians want to keep the poor poor, it generates votes for them. If you think the politicians are looking to benefit the poor your foolish. Obama care was created and delayed this far out so the next democrat can continue to use it for political power to remain in office. They will give a lil taste of if in the last year and then say we are not done working out the system and need more time, dont let the republicans come in because they will stop your healthcare bala bla bla.

As for competitive healthcare yes i do believe it is possible... You open cross statelines insurance it will go down. Look at auto insurance and other insurance policies. When businesses are forced to compete a reduction in price is going to happen.

I do believe that everyone should get medical, i believe we should have a better medical system that helps the people. However it should not be the federal gov't. It should be the state and community. Having the federal gov'ts hands in more of my information is scary and i do not trust them one bit to even be able to operate this. You call the VA right now, you get hung up on and asked to call back later from their phone system... This is the care i for see. You call in and you get due to high volumes of calls, please call back at a later date... click.. dial tone...

What happens to gov't health care if a shut down happens? If we are not even providing medical aid to VET's at the VA how will they sustain this?

Also Health care should not be dictated upon each person. It should still remain an option. Or have the option to make it mandatory but still opt out but pay a cheaper emergency fee for catastrophic events say 20$ a month... I know many people who will be paying this insurance and they refuse to use modern medicine due to believing in holistic medicine and natural medicines.

Well said!
 
ITT, liberals taking stupid to a whole new level. and to answer your question zaphod, yes, we let them die.. why? because they can't afford to live. :coffee:

So should you become broke and are dying you'll go quietly?
 
ObamaCare website fix-it team faces massive undertaking, warning signs detailed

Published October 22, 2013FoxNews.com

The overhaul of the broken ObamaCare website could be a massive undertaking, with one specialist reportedly saying 5 million lines of code may have to be rewritten and indications that the newly hired tech team may need weeks to repair the system.
The details come amid reports that, in advance of the Oct. 1 launch of HealthCare.gov, several issues had raised red flags among the very people charged with putting the website together. The administration is now in a scramble to fix the problems that have prevented many from signing up for health insurance online. President Obama on Monday directed the public to apply over the phone or by mail -- but at the same time, the White House did not rule out delaying the health law's 2014 requirement on individuals to buy insurance.
Republicans are redoubling their push for a delay amid the problems. Sen. Marco Rubio, R-Fla., told Fox News he plans to introduce a bill that would delay the mandate until the problems are addressed.
"How are you going to go after people next year ... if the thing you're forcing them to buy isn't available to buy?" he asked. Rubio's plan would delay the mandate until the Government Accountability Office certifies the system is "up and running and effectively working for six months, consecutive."
The New York Times, detailing the scope of the repair project, reported that while contractors have identified most the problems with the site, the administration is slow to issue orders. The Times quoted one specialist as saying 5 million lines of code may have to be rewritten.
The Washington Post reported Monday that a test of the website's capability to handle heavy traffic went wrong just days before the planned launch, when the site crashed after just a few hundred people tried to log on simultaneously.
The Post also reported that a group of 10 insurers invited to give advice and test the website urged federal officials not to do a nationwide launch due to the number of issues with the site. At late as a week before the launch date, the paper reported, no one had thought to test whether or not a user could complete the process of signing up for a health insurance plan through the site.
Meanwhile, a review of the site's technical specifications by The Associated Press found a mind-numbingly complex system put together by harried programmers who pushed out a final product that congressional investigators said was tested by the government and not private developers with more expertise.
Project developers who spoke to the AP on condition of anonymity -- because they feared they would otherwise be fired -- said they raised doubts among themselves whether the website could be ready in time. They complained openly to each other about what they considered tight and unrealistic deadlines. One was nearly brought to tears over the stress of finishing on time, one developer said. Website builders saw red flags for months.
A review of internal architectural diagrams obtained by the AP revealed the system's complexity. Insurance applicants have a host of personal information verified, including income and immigration status. The system connects to other federal computer networks, including ones at the Social Security Administration, IRS, Veterans Administration, Office of Personnel Management and the Peace Corps.
President Barack Obama on Monday acknowledged technical problems that he described as "kinks in the system." He also promised a "tech surge" by leading technology talent to repair the painfully slow and often unresponsive website that has frustrated Americans trying to enroll online for insurance plans at the center of Obama's health care law.
But in remarks at a Rose Garden event, Obama offered no explanation for the failure except to note that high traffic to the website caused some of the slowdowns. He said it had been visited nearly 20 million times -- fewer monthly visits so far than many commercial websites, such as PayPal, AOL, Wikipedia or Pinterest.
"The problem has been that the website that's supposed to make it easy to apply for and purchase the insurance is not working the way it should for everybody," Obama said. "There's no sugarcoating it. The website has been too slow. People have been getting stuck during the application process. And I think it's fair to say that nobody is more frustrated by that than I am."
The online system was envisioned as a simple way for people without health insurance to comparison-shop among competing plans offered in their state, pick their preferred level of coverage and cost and sign up. For many, it's not worked out that way so far.
Just weeks before the launch of HealthCare.gov on Oct. 1, one programmer said, colleagues huddled in conference rooms trying to patch "bugs," or deficiencies in computer code. Unresolved problems led to visitors experiencing cryptic error messages or enduring long waits trying to sign up.
Congressional investigators have concluded that the government's Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services, not private software developers, tested the exchange's computer systems during the final weeks. That task, known as integration testing, is usually handled by software companies because it ferrets out problems before the public sees the final product.
The government spent at least $394 million in contracts to build the federal health care exchange and the data hub. Those contracts included major awards to Virginia-based CGI Federal Inc., Maryland-based Quality Software Services Inc. and Booz Allen Hamilton Inc.
CGI Federal said in a statement Monday it was working with the government and other contractors "around the clock" to improve the system, which it called "complex, ambitious and unprecedented."
The schematics from late 2012 show how officials designated a "data services hub" -- a traffic cop for managing information -- in lieu of a design that would have allowed state exchanges to connect directly to government servers when verifying an applicant's information. On Sunday, the Health and Human Services Department said the data hub was working but not meeting public expectations: "We are committed to doing better."
Administration officials so far have refused to say how many people actually have managed to enroll in insurance during the three weeks since the new marketplaces became available. Without enrollment numbers, it's impossible to know whether the program is on track to reach projections from the Congressional Budget Office that 7 million people would gain coverage during the first year the exchanges were available.
Instead, officials have selectively cited figures that put the insurance exchanges in a positive light. They say more than 19 million people have logged on to the federal website and nearly 500,000 have filled out applications for insurance through both the federal and state-run sites.
The flood of computer problems since the website went online has been deeply embarrassing for the White House. The snags have called into question whether the administration is capable of implementing the complex policy and why senior administration officials -- including the president -- appear to have been unaware of the scope of the problems when the exchange sites opened.
Even as the president spoke at the Rose Garden, more problems were coming to light. The administration acknowledged that a planned upgrade to the website had been postponed indefinitely and that online Spanish-language signups would remain unavailable, despite a promise to Hispanic groups that the capability would start this week. And the government tweaked the website's home page so visitors can now view phone numbers to apply the old-fashioned way or window-shop for insurance rates without registering first.
The House Energy and Commerce Committee was expected to conduct an oversight hearing Thursday, probably without Health and Human Services Secretary Kathleen Sebelius testifying. She could testify on Capitol Hill on the subject as early as next week.
Uninsured Americans have until about mid-February to sign up for coverage if they are to meet the law's requirement that they be insured by the end of March. If they don't, they will face a penalty.
ObamaCare website fix-it team faces massive undertaking, warning signs detailed | Fox News

why isn't the POTUS comparing apple, Inc. to his signature legislation any more?

 
That's exactly what's happening, the uninsured that can't afford insurance are being subsidized (PAID FOR) by the government (TAXPAYERS).

Umm, healthcare is not a god given right, its not even in the bill of rights.

WHy the fuck should I be paying for someone else's healthcare???

It should have been....
 
your paying for it either way, empirical data clearly shows that people with lifetime access to healthcare have less health problems later in life. a small percentage of unhealthy people amount for the vast majority of healthcare expenses. it's about preventing illness in the later years which in turn reduces total healthcare expenditures.

and if you part of the population that gets a federal tax return then you aren't paying anything for anyone.

well said. why Canada works ( not perfect) with it, its been in affect for many many years, so its hard o compare US to Canada. Canada does not have the same history as US in this area. and why it seems such a mess right now in US to put this in.. its not been done. it will take time to fine tune it and add the fat USA id not very healthy person to person thanks to shitty diet and easily found fast food IMO.
it will be hell at first, but thats the cost of leaving your poor behind from the start...
 
It should have been....

And how would that make any difference? no ones right to health care is being denied. govt is not taking away anyone's right to health care either. the US constitution is meant to restrain govt and set the rules of operation. it makes no sense when i hear "health care should be a right". No one is taking your right away to healthcare! you have that right already! I wonder what these govt schools are teaching are kids, sure the hell is not the US Constitution. otherwise we wouldn't have stupid comments like this. I assume you're not from here according to your profile, so you get a pass. this post is not directed completely at you. it's mainly to the uneducated govt schooled people here in the US.
 
Tuesday, Oct. 22, 2013
Florida Blue to cancel 300,000 policies over ObamaCare
By Matt Dixon

Tallahassee | Citing costs associated with the federal Affordable Care Act, Jacksonville-based Florida Blue is canceling 300,000 individual policies.

Florida Blue, the state?s largest health insurer, says the move is to offset the new health care law?s requirement that things like maternity and newborn care, mental health, substance abuse services, and emergency services be covered by individual and small market plans.

Kaiser Health News reported that many canceled plans from Florida Blue, and other insurers across the country, fall short of the requirements laid out in the Affordable Care Act, commonly referred to as ObamaCare. The organization says many were purchased after the law was passed in 2010, so insurance companies knew they would be temporary policies.

Impacted Florida Blue customers will be notified by mail.

?We will provide our members recommendations for new plan options, and encourage them to contact us so we could help determine their best course of action,? Mark Wright, a Florida Blue Spokesman, said in a statement.

Wright said officials who could answer specific follow-up questions were not in the office.

As a result, information related to the amount the cancellations will save the company, how many people have enrolled in company plans through the Affordable Care Act, and updated numbers on how much the company thinks the new law will cost was not available Tuesday.

During spring?s legislative session, Florida Blue lobbyists told lawmakers they thought the Affordable Care Act would cost the company $110 million.

In September, the Office of Insurance Regulation estimated that ObamaCare would boost Florida Blue premiums by 31 percent under Obamacare, or $118-per-month. That?s slightly less than the 35 percent overall increase the office estimated would occur under the new health care law.

Those state numbers did not include income-based federal subsidies offered through the plan. It?s estimated that 3.2 million of Florida?s 3.5 million uninsured will be eligible for the subsidies.

During the legislative session, Florida Blue lobbyists used the uncertainty under ObamaCare as a key message when lobbying on key issues.

That led to the defeat of a proposal to ax an insurance industry tax. Florida Blue estimated that plan would have cost it $32.5 million. ObamaCare was also the stated reason Florida Blue used when pushing language that allowed it a new type of expansion, company officials said. That restructure would allow the company to own other not-for-profit insurers and corporations in Florida.

Figures filed with the Office of Insurance Regulation show that Florida Blue claimed $3.7 billion in gross annual direct premiums in 2012. That accounts for 29 percent of the state?s health care market.

Since opening Oct. 1, the online marketplaces created under ObamaCare have been wrought with problems. Many consumers have said they have not been able to access the site, while others report long wait times. People must enroll in an insurance plan by Feb. 15, or face a penalty.
http://m.jacksonville.com/news/2013-10-22/story/florida-blue-cancel-300000-policies-over-obamacare


"if you like your plan you can keep it" -Barrack Hussein Obama
 
Healthcare should not be a right but a privilege. There is no reason to keep someone on gov't assistance for their entire life. What will drive the poor not to be poor any more when their are so many programs that allows them to live comfortably and not have a worry about bills. There are individuals in the state of CA collecting an a total of 6k in goods including assistance with food, medical, welfare, additional money for kids with "ADD" financial aid (and their not students) grants and ect. How many of them are putting in the time to work multiple jobs and strive to better them selves? The answer is very few, yes there are some, but very few.

Welfare should be time sensitive, you have two years to get your shit together and show an improvement in your life style. Does not mean your off welfare just a progression to get off. I.e trade school, education, new job and ect. If the progression strops then you lose assistance from the gov't and now have to rely on community welfare and what your community offers.

We enable people to live off of the system with no motivation to ever get off of it. Politicians want to keep the poor poor, it generates votes for them. If you think the politicians are looking to benefit the poor your foolish. Obama care was created and delayed this far out so the next democrat can continue to use it for political power to remain in office. They will give a lil taste of if in the last year and then say we are not done working out the system and need more time, dont let the republicans come in because they will stop your healthcare bala bla bla.

As for competitive healthcare yes i do believe it is possible... You open cross statelines insurance it will go down. Look at auto insurance and other insurance policies. When businesses are forced to compete a reduction in price is going to happen.

I do believe that everyone should get medical, i believe we should have a better medical system that helps the people. However it should not be the federal gov't. It should be the state and community. Having the federal gov'ts hands in more of my information is scary and i do not trust them one bit to even be able to operate this. You call the VA right now, you get hung up on and asked to call back later from their phone system... This is the care i for see. You call in and you get due to high volumes of calls, please call back at a later date... click.. dial tone...

What happens to gov't health care if a shut down happens? If we are not even providing medical aid to VET's at the VA how will they sustain this?

Also Health care should not be dictated upon each person. It should still remain an option. Or have the option to make it mandatory but still opt out but pay a cheaper emergency fee for catastrophic events say 20$ a month... I know many people who will be paying this insurance and they refuse to use modern medicine due to believing in holistic medicine and natural medicines.

There already is competition between health care providers in my area and health care costs have not gone down as a result of that competition.
Several large medical insurance companies compete to write insurance policies and several hospitals, and large numbers of physicians compete in my area for patients.
Health care costs have not gone down as a result of that competition.

If anything under that model there have been large increases over time in the cost of health care provision in my area.

Health care insurance companies and health care providers in the private sector that are for profit are not beating down the doors of people that cannot afford health care insurance or with preexisting conditions to offer them policies and treatment and that is what is at the core of what Obamacare was intended to address.

When these uninsured people show up in emergency rooms the reaction is to try and find another hospital to dump them on.
I have seen this with my own eyes as hospitals transferred uninsured people from their facilities to the facility that I worked in that provided care to uninsured people.
They would stabilize them then transfer them as fast as possible to avoid the cost of treating them.
This is called dumping the uninsured.

Health care is not like a commodity or a product that is for sale at Wal-mart and the private sector does not do well with uninsured patients.
 
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