Sorness

[Boomer033]

My first week on test I was sorer than usual, this was natural, so I was pleased but not suprised. But, now I work the hell out of my muscles doing 20 plus sets on say pecs for example and ill be lucky if I feel anything the next day. I dont know the logisitics of how everything works but from what I understand if im not sore than the juice is just going to waste

 

[Fit Freak]

Not true at all...with AAS your recovery is going to be improved dramatically thereby leading to less soreness than usual.

 

[crackerjack414]

i get sore as hell while on a good mass gaining cycle i get sore ass hell because iam pushing it way beyond the limit. just my 2 cents

 

[Mudge]

I can't say there is hardly a difference at all, its not that magical.

 

[Fit Freak]

One thing to consider...you mentionned you're doing higher volume...BUT is the intensity still there...many times I see guys in the gym doing set after set but their intensity is less than desirable...just something to consider...higher volume isn't always better.....but if you're saucing...I do think higher volume + high intensity is best

 

[Mudge]

I agree, being truly intensive is a mind game, you are fighting yourself. IMO the mind holds most of us back from being truly "hardcore," I am trying to find the barrier myself.

A fair portion of those that think they train hard, really dont, IMO.

 

[crackerjack414]

the mind body connection is the hardest thing to do in bodybuilding

 

[Mudge]

Some people have no mind-body connection, i.e. "I'm doing bench today and man my biceps are pumped."

But what I mean of course goes beyond that, breaking past what most would call the "pain barrier" or just a plain old mental barrier. Especially with squats, if the average person "can do" 10 reps of a certain weight, I bet he can do 20 or 25, they just dont WANT to do 20 or 25

 

[gr81]

everybody is so comcerned with overtraining nowadays that I think most people end up undertraining IMO

 

[crackerjack414]

all i have to say is you arnt pushing unless u are feeling like crap. I mean most have never pushed it to the limit. they stall out on say rep 8 when in actuality they would realy be failing at rep 12-14 most people dont like to go outside of the confert zone into what I can only describe as being a place beyong pain.

 

[Mudge]

I feel like crap on leg day, and back day.

 

[RCfootball87]

Originally posted by Mudge
Especially with squats, if the average person "can do" 10 reps of a certain weight, I bet he can do 20 or 25, they just dont WANT to do 20 or 25

I see this everytime I train with other people. I push myself until it gets dangerous. Like the other day, I only had one spotter who was standing behind me while I was at the rack. I forced out a rep I didn't think I could get, and then I thought I was gonna like vomit or collapse from weakness, so I had to go get a drink. I was sore for days.

 

[Mudge]

Alot of it is sheer willpower, even when most people falter it is them just wanting to quit.

 

[oaktownboy]

yeah i know exactly what you guys are talking about ...When I squat, on my last set i try to max out..maybe do 4 reps...If I'm only doing 4 reps I'M GONNA FEEL PAIN. That's when the spotter kick in, cause if i can;t make it up, i'm in trouble(I've actually had this happen to me a few times..uggggg).
I think the same can be said with the bb bp. If you load it up high enough it gets to the point you having a spotter is a must. When I bench, i max with 4 reps again, and if there ain't a spotter, the bar's gonna crush something in my body.
But that's what it is all about. I don't understand the point of going to a gym if you aren't gonna train the hardest you humanly can?

 

[ZECH]

Originally posted by gr81
everybody is so comcerned with overtraining nowadays that I think most people end up undertraining IMO

Overtraining comes from working out day after day after day without taking a rest day. Not only are your muscles fatiqued and wore out, your CNS is shot!

 

[crackerjack414]

my ego trip days are over I dont do one reps any more I normaly like to no less than 4-6 reps