I've already posted on that, but thats different than dropping a pill and getting bigger arms.
http://www.ironmagazineforums.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=18656
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I've already posted on that, but thats different than dropping a pill and getting bigger arms.
http://www.ironmagazineforums.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=18656
Now, if the pot is through calling the kettle black......
So,what's the answer? We've hit on everything from adipose to the common cold, and we've yet to answer the question.
Mag 14 was released last night:
http://magazine.mindandmuscle.net/
Go to current issue, table of contents and read:
Sytenhance.
http://magazine.mindandmuscle.net/
Go to current issue, table of contents and read:
Sytenhance.
So, what is in it that makes it work locally?
Well, since its still up for debate whether steroids injected directly into the muscle can cause localized growth, I have doubts as to whether a topical "not-as-strong-as-a-real-steroid" can accomplish this. Nice thought though.
And how will this differ from the topical prohormones Avant recently removed from sale?
And how will this differ from the topical prohormones Avant recently removed from sale?
First, there has been excellent user feedback already.
Second, it is has a very different mechanism, with very different effects on the body (i.e. it is not, obviously, system, and not intended to enter the bloodsystem etc.)
Third, this is not an Avant Labs product, but a product by Xtreme Formulations, the makes of ICE, Vendetta, and Relentless. (Also a sister company of proteincustomizer.com).
Second, it is has a very different mechanism, with very different effects on the body (i.e. it is not, obviously, system, and not intended to enter the bloodsystem etc.)
Third, this is not an Avant Labs product, but a product by Xtreme Formulations, the makes of ICE, Vendetta, and Relentless. (Also a sister company of proteincustomizer.com).
My results:
Date.....BW....R. Arm...L. Arm....L. Calf....R. Calf
6/2??????220....17 7/8??????.18...........16 ¼???..16 ¾
6/9??????220???.17 7/8??????.18??????...16 ¼ ???..17
6/16..???216.5???18??????.18 1/4??????.16 ½ ???..17
Everything stayed the same the first week, except my right calf -- which was the only area I WAS NOT applying gel #3. So I am pretty certain that I just mis-taped it to start. I had never taped calves before.
As to the arms, I tape them every week, before and since, so I know my measurements were accurate.
I'll hunt down some feedback from others.
BTW, the weight loss was because I was dieting at the time, which makes the increases all the more impressive, IMO.
Date.....BW....R. Arm...L. Arm....L. Calf....R. Calf
6/2??????220....17 7/8??????.18...........16 ¼???..16 ¾
6/9??????220???.17 7/8??????.18??????...16 ¼ ???..17
6/16..???216.5???18??????.18 1/4??????.16 ½ ???..17
Everything stayed the same the first week, except my right calf -- which was the only area I WAS NOT applying gel #3. So I am pretty certain that I just mis-taped it to start. I had never taped calves before.
As to the arms, I tape them every week, before and since, so I know my measurements were accurate.
I'll hunt down some feedback from others.
BTW, the weight loss was because I was dieting at the time, which makes the increases all the more impressive, IMO.
Looks like pretty consistent results.
Did you change anything in your w/o routine during this period?
Did you change anything in your w/o routine during this period?
Other quotes:
- I used this with 3grms of 1-T, and in a 14day period saw a 3/4" increase in upper arm girth.
- 6/6 My experience with Gel #3 thus far: I have 6g of 1-t dissolved in 120ml. Dosing is 3 squirts 2x per day, for a total of 200mg of 1-test per day. Every application is ~1-1/2 squirts to each upper arm. Today was the 16th day that I have applied the gel. The bottle will last ~30 days at this dosage level.
I???m getting more complete coverage of the bicep than the tricep, as I???m using a full squirt for each bicep and about ½ squirt for each tricep. Note that IMO, 2 squirts per upper arm (per application) would be just about right for complete coverage of the entire upper arm, while still spreading the gel in a very thin layer.
Initial observations: I didn???t notice much of anything the first few days. After applying the 5th day, I noted a fuller muscle appearance, particularly in the bicep. Also started to experience increased recovery in-between sets (during the workout) and less soreness after the workout at this point. I took an arm measurement at the one-week point, and it was an increase of just under ¼??? for each arm.
I took another arm measurement at the two-week point, which was 2 days ago, and the increase is right at 3/8??? in each arm. Also started to experience some strength increases during workouts the last two days. A bit more in the bicep exercises than the tricep exercises, as I???m getting more complete coverage of the bicep with each gel application.
I have experienced increased muscle pumps in both upper arms during this 2nd week, again more so on biceps than triceps. Pumps haven???t been the greatest I???ve ever seen on-cycle (i.e. the ???painful??? variety), but the increase is definite during arm workouts.
Other items of note: My weight has been stable over the 16 days, as I am eating at a maintenance level. No significant changes in other bodily measurements and no change in BF levels, using a basic 3-site caliper check each week. No noticeable strength or recovery increases, or decrease in soreness in any other muscle groups than arms. My workouts have not changed during the Gel #3 cycle; I have purposely not increased volume on any arm exercises, though I feel I easily could have, as recovery in-between sets is definitely up, particularly on bicep movements.
I have experienced no systemic side effects so far. i.e. No lethargy or workout fatigue that is typical with 1-test only dosing. No increase in blood pressure. No decrease in libido, and no testicular shrinkage. No increase in acne and no negative effect on hairline. One side effect I have started to experience is slight joint pain in the area of application (i.e. upper elbow area). This began 2 days ago during my workout, about the same time I started to notice some strength increases. It is pretty slight so far, compared to some other androgen cycles I have done, and it only lasted for the remainder of the workout and a little while afterwards. No joint pain anywhere else thus far.
I will try to chime in again with any additional observations in ~2 weeks, after the bottle of Gel #3 is completed.
- Same guy 6/24 -- My last dosing with Gel #3 was on Friday night, so today will be the 4th day since I have applied. Total dosing was 6g of 1-test in 30 days, with coverage on both upper arms. Final results: I took an arm measurement last night before my work-out, and the increase was right at a 1/2" for each arm.
Other observations are as described above. No systemic effects or side effects (other than joint pain in the elbows). Weight is the same today as it was a month ago, as is BF%. Strength increases on arm exercises kicked in during the last 2 weeks. Bicep movements in particular have been as heavy or heavier than they've ever been. The best (most noticeable) effect I experienced was the increase in recovery in-between sets (on arm movements) and decreased soreness. Arms are basically ready to go again with minimal rest, even after a heavy set to failure. And soreness is virtually non-existent. My arms just did not get sore during/after a workout in the last ~3 weeks of Gel #3 applications.
Since I haven't experienced anything really negative, I'm very tempted to stay on Gel #3 for another month, to see if strength/size gains continue. But I decided to go off-cycle for now, as I have a few other things in the works. I will not be doing a traditional post-androgen cycle. I'll probably try this again in the near future and possibly extend to an 8-week cycle.
I am sure there is more, if I find it I'll post it.
- I used this with 3grms of 1-T, and in a 14day period saw a 3/4" increase in upper arm girth.
- 6/6 My experience with Gel #3 thus far: I have 6g of 1-t dissolved in 120ml. Dosing is 3 squirts 2x per day, for a total of 200mg of 1-test per day. Every application is ~1-1/2 squirts to each upper arm. Today was the 16th day that I have applied the gel. The bottle will last ~30 days at this dosage level.
I???m getting more complete coverage of the bicep than the tricep, as I???m using a full squirt for each bicep and about ½ squirt for each tricep. Note that IMO, 2 squirts per upper arm (per application) would be just about right for complete coverage of the entire upper arm, while still spreading the gel in a very thin layer.
Initial observations: I didn???t notice much of anything the first few days. After applying the 5th day, I noted a fuller muscle appearance, particularly in the bicep. Also started to experience increased recovery in-between sets (during the workout) and less soreness after the workout at this point. I took an arm measurement at the one-week point, and it was an increase of just under ¼??? for each arm.
I took another arm measurement at the two-week point, which was 2 days ago, and the increase is right at 3/8??? in each arm. Also started to experience some strength increases during workouts the last two days. A bit more in the bicep exercises than the tricep exercises, as I???m getting more complete coverage of the bicep with each gel application.
I have experienced increased muscle pumps in both upper arms during this 2nd week, again more so on biceps than triceps. Pumps haven???t been the greatest I???ve ever seen on-cycle (i.e. the ???painful??? variety), but the increase is definite during arm workouts.
Other items of note: My weight has been stable over the 16 days, as I am eating at a maintenance level. No significant changes in other bodily measurements and no change in BF levels, using a basic 3-site caliper check each week. No noticeable strength or recovery increases, or decrease in soreness in any other muscle groups than arms. My workouts have not changed during the Gel #3 cycle; I have purposely not increased volume on any arm exercises, though I feel I easily could have, as recovery in-between sets is definitely up, particularly on bicep movements.
I have experienced no systemic side effects so far. i.e. No lethargy or workout fatigue that is typical with 1-test only dosing. No increase in blood pressure. No decrease in libido, and no testicular shrinkage. No increase in acne and no negative effect on hairline. One side effect I have started to experience is slight joint pain in the area of application (i.e. upper elbow area). This began 2 days ago during my workout, about the same time I started to notice some strength increases. It is pretty slight so far, compared to some other androgen cycles I have done, and it only lasted for the remainder of the workout and a little while afterwards. No joint pain anywhere else thus far.
I will try to chime in again with any additional observations in ~2 weeks, after the bottle of Gel #3 is completed.
- Same guy 6/24 -- My last dosing with Gel #3 was on Friday night, so today will be the 4th day since I have applied. Total dosing was 6g of 1-test in 30 days, with coverage on both upper arms. Final results: I took an arm measurement last night before my work-out, and the increase was right at a 1/2" for each arm.
Other observations are as described above. No systemic effects or side effects (other than joint pain in the elbows). Weight is the same today as it was a month ago, as is BF%. Strength increases on arm exercises kicked in during the last 2 weeks. Bicep movements in particular have been as heavy or heavier than they've ever been. The best (most noticeable) effect I experienced was the increase in recovery in-between sets (on arm movements) and decreased soreness. Arms are basically ready to go again with minimal rest, even after a heavy set to failure. And soreness is virtually non-existent. My arms just did not get sore during/after a workout in the last ~3 weeks of Gel #3 applications.
Since I haven't experienced anything really negative, I'm very tempted to stay on Gel #3 for another month, to see if strength/size gains continue. But I decided to go off-cycle for now, as I have a few other things in the works. I will not be doing a traditional post-androgen cycle. I'll probably try this again in the near future and possibly extend to an 8-week cycle.
I am sure there is more, if I find it I'll post it.
I just visited their website (Xtreme Formulations) and didn't see the product. Where's some info where I can read up on it.
Neither my training or diet. The only thing different was that I was coming off of a regular prohormone cycle, so actually, I expected to lose some size. Add on top of that the weight loss, and well, you can see where I am going with this.
Yes, I does.
Hmm, even topical Fina gets bad press from everywhere I've seen. I'll read the article tho.
Well, that was brief... unfortunately I can't say I have learned anything or seen anything to convince anybody that it works, site injections dont work with near anything, so why is this any different?
I can only say I wish there was some science in the snipet to read, although its nice to know what products may be coming out in the future, of course it will leave companies open to harsh criticism for pumping things up - especially when there is no discovery or science claim to talk about.
Well, that was brief... unfortunately I can't say I have learned anything or seen anything to convince anybody that it works, site injections dont work with near anything, so why is this any different?
I can only say I wish there was some science in the snipet to read, although its nice to know what products may be coming out in the future, of course it will leave companies open to harsh criticism for pumping things up - especially when there is no discovery or science claim to talk about.
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My uncle Stanley's left leg is twice as big as his right leg. He takes cement blocks and puts them on his right foot and kicks them as far as he can. One time he kicked one right on top of my grandma's car and she went NUTS. Now she will not let him touch cement blocks when he comes over and has to sit on his hands in the dining room. He also rubs a special cream on his left leg to make it smaller and refuses to use his left leg to do anything. He says it's starting to work.
You're from South Carolina, aren't you.
