Suicide

[BulkMeUp]

if you have a family it is a very selfish thing to do IMO.

What if that is the very family one is trying to get away from and wishes to terminate the relationship permanantely?

 

[Arnold]

I meant that most people have parents, siblings and kids that love and need them, or at least one of those three, if not all.

Ya know this is just like a religeous thread, there is no right or wrong answer, and we are not going to change our opinions, I will continue to think that suicide is a selfish and cowardly act and others will disagree.

 

[BulkMeUp]

no, I think it takes guts to not kill yourself and get help.

Assuming the location where one lives offers the infrastructure to offer a person such help.

 

[Minotaur]

so what does this say for the people that ARE or WERE in that exact situation yet they decided to get help rather than kill themselves?

It's not that cut and dried. For the people that follow through with suicide or attempt it and come damn close, the drive for self-preservation short circuits. There is clearly no rational thinking at the time. You've come to the end of your rope and don't see, or don't want any help. For the people that pull through an attempt and don't try it again, or stop short of suicide and get help are simply not at the perceived point of no return. Unless you have been there and live with it, you cannot understand it. I can't be any plainer than that.

 

[Arnold]

How many poeple that attempt suicide are successful?

Is it fair to say that the majority are not?

 

[Vieope]

How many poeple that attempt suicide are successful?

Is it fair to say that the majority are not?

A lot of people is successful, due to the stigma most of the deaths are reported as a different cause. Even with the atual numbers, it still is one of the top deaths causes.

 

[Arnold]

whatever, I have stated my opinion, I am done arguing this.

bye

 

[Vieope]

 

[BulkMeUp]

As you move forward in life you will encounter assholes like that. We all have. The assholes that bothered you will sooner or later get their asses kicked and end up working in the shiping department at Net-Flix or handing out hot sauce with the tacos at Taco Bell. You ... on the other hand ... will go on to invent the next great Operating System and retire by age 27 or maybe even come up with the cure for being an asshole and get the Nobel Peace Prize and hang out with Desmond Tutu. I may be stretching it a lil' but you get my point. You have a shit load of life out there just begging for you to come live it. Don't let a couple of dorks get ya down man.

IMO, assholes are everywhere. The come in all shapes, sizes and colours. So after you are done with school, you are likely to come accross assholes in the form of colleagues, bosses, clients..etc. However you need to try and develop a 'thicker skin' towards them(like your friends i-dont-care-a-damn attitude) and get more adept in dealing with them.

 

[largepkg]

This thread has touched a nerve with me. I've sat back and read a few of you post your theories on why it would be OK for person X, Y, or Z to commit suicide. This outrages me!

V, I'll start by saying you seem be to be one cool Mofo. Unfortunately your laid back attitude towards this frightens me. Is depression debilitating? No doubt! Can it leave you in a dark place with no apparent way out? Absolutely! I've been there. I'm currently there! I've tried and failed!

Suicide is unacceptable, period! To do so is only to give in to all your weakness. I could go into so much detail but that's not what this thread was about.

Please, anyone who is thinking about this remember this one thing. The joys in life are so great because of the pains. Without the pains it's all just another day. It will get better.

 

[madden player]

I think it takes guts to not kill yourself and get help.

 

[Vieope]

This thread has touched a nerve with me. I've sat back and read a few of you post your theories on why it would be OK for person X, Y, or Z to commit suicide. This outrages me!

V, I'll start by saying you seem be to be one cool Mofo. Unfortunately your laid back attitude towards this frightens me. Is depression debilitating? No doubt! Can it leave you in a dark place with no apparent way out? Absolutely! I've been there. I'm currently there! I've tried and failed!

Suicide is unacceptable, period! To do so is only to give in to all your weakness. I could go into so much detail but that's not what this thread was about.

Please, anyone who is thinking about this remember this one thing. The joys in life are so great because of the pains. Without the pains it's all just another day. It will get better.

Sorry, it is a tough subject I know but may laid back attitude towards it comes from my friends and long night philosophy-drunk conversations at the beach.
The real reason is because if you treat it so seriously, people who need help, won´t speak. If you tell a psychologist, "I am going to kill myself." What would be the appropriate reaction for him? Freak out? Get it?
Maybe this thread helped somebody. Agree now?

 

[largepkg]

You sneaky bastard!

 

[myCATpowerlifts]

ahh vieope has some hidden intelligence

 

[myCATpowerlifts]

I dont see the point in committing suicide
If you are just gonna die anyway, why not go out with a bang?
try to rob a bank?

do something exciting, you may get the adrenaline rush required, to start to love life again, who knows...

 

[Lurker]

I think that cry for help thing is very real. God I really didn't want to put too much into this thread, but literally. With my ED (eating disorder) when I am in a bad place with it the disease has a doubled edge sword. I am so ashamed I hide it from everyone, the more I hide, the more alone and desperate I feel. When its bad I want to stand in a room screaming, "I am dying here people, I haven't eaten in X many days (or have purged this many times, or I have spent this many hours in the gym, or whatever behavior I am giving into), somebody, please anyone help me". Thats the only time I consider suicide, maybe then someone would see how bad I am hurting. Then it always seems like God steps in and sends me an angel to remind me I am important and I can do this for one more day. God doesn't make junk, so I guess its my faith that keps driving me forward. Whether or not it is right or wrong seems moot to me, even whether or not its selfish, its the pain of it that is real, and day after day of just pain can feel like more than a person can bear.

 

[V Player]

you did not have to add that, at the end I said: IMO which stands for: "in my opinion".

I know that. I wasnt meaning it in a disrespectful manner. I guess I should have made it a general answer even though I used your comment as a base. There's just so much about seppuku that many wont ever understand. I just knew that even thoug you said it, this is a general feeling. I just wanmted to .....oh well. Never mind. Wrong hemisphere for me to be talking about this.


Anyways. Sorry Rob.

 

[fantasma62]

Nope, not me. I am a happy person and really never had to even think about it.

 

[BoneCrusher]

Personally? Death is a singularity that has no other outcome. A place to go that leads nowhere else. Death is a result or a consequence but never a solution. I've seen it up close and will endure all the hell this planet has to give me before I accept death's embrace.

I have horrid images from my childhood that to this very day ... this very moment ... instill a desire to end the lives of certain types of people but because of the responsibilities I have to my family I've always contained my urges. What will I use to control those desires after my son is older and in his own adult world? He is 17 now and will be out in his own world soon. I am 44 now but in tremendous condition so an ending to my life is not yet a concept that I can get my mind around, but stalking a child molester and ending his life would be no harder to me than fishing. I like to fish.

Does this mean I should seek out mental health? Been there done that ... several times. No change. Will I control my longing for vengance? Probably. Would I kill someone that does intenional harm to my son or to any child in my sphere of influence? Probably. Is that bad? Not from where I sit.

Suicide? Never!
Murder? Can do.

Metal V. What is your fascination with Japanese rites of honor? You look occidental in ancestry to me if that is you in your avi.

 

[V Player]

Metal V. What is your fascination with Japanese rites of honor? You look occidental in ancestry to me if that is you in your avi

Yes thats me. Im hispanc/asian. More hispanic than asian, though.


Thats a question I really cant answer. Without sounding dramatic, I dont see it as a fascination.

 

[BoneCrusher]

I read Sho-Gun 3 times and watched the movie twice. My total experience with the samuria relates to Ajnin's journey and those he encountered. I would think that this would be a hard life to adopt with out being emursed in the cultural setting.

 

[V Player]

It IS a hard life. I live the Code of The Samurai every day of my life (NO...that doesnt mean that I think Im a samurai, *rolls eyes*...god I hate it when people think they are). I carry my book with me everywhere I go, so you can say its my bible. I try, but Im not perfect. But even so, its strange how some people just refuse to allow you to be yourself if they dont understand it. Even if you mean no harm. Ive been fired for the way I am. Other employers have taken advantage of it and me. I get challenged and sometimes ridiculed almost every day for it. Particularly the honor and the honor towards the ladies. The no drinking or smoking. The dedication to certain physical things. Im just a strange bird to most people. So yes, it is a hard life. But its who I am. Its not something that I can change any more than I can change the color of my skin.


Take seppuku. No one will accept it. No one will even accept that it is part of another culture and that it has nothing whatsoever to do with western philosophies. To them it AND me are always wrong and always will be. No matter what.


Ive read Shogun more times than I can count. Its actually based on a true story.

 

[Tom_B]

Sorry I've been really busy and forgot about this thread

Thanks for being honest and so open about your issues.

No problem, I find this is the only place I can been open about my issues, I don't have to worry about being judged or critized on these boards, and I know someone out there will be able to relate to myself one way or another and offer me some great advice

Wow, I hope you don'y still have any of those feelings. If you do, I really want you to talk to your school counselor about this. And please feel free to talk to me about this if you need to. I am currently a school counseling intern.
I used to think about suicide a lot when I was in high school and again in my twenties. I used to suffer from different eating disorders, depression and panic attacks. Weight lifting has helped me SO much.

In my experience counsellors don't work and are full of shit, not saying you are but the ones I've spoken to were. When I was being counselled for my ED/depression they had no idea what to do with me, they basically used me as a guiena pig considering I was their first ED patient. All theydid was take out a book and label me, they would ask if my parents/siblings would hit me or if I was molested as a child, I would repeatly tell them over and over that, that wasn't the case but they didn't care, they couldn't comprehend why I had an ED so they figured I was abused/molested. They also tell you that they will ALWAYS be completly honest with you, and when I told them I decided I did not want to come to anymore sessions they said that it was completly fine and if I fell like I don't need counselling that's fine, they just needed to speak to my mother, and when they did they told her the complete opposite, they told her that I wasn't ready and I can't think straight on my own and I NEEDED these sessions. So that father proved my point, why would I tell these people about my life expecting they could keep secrets when the lie to me over a simple thing like that.
I'm sure not all counsellors are like that, you seem to be really nice and even seem to know where I'm coming from.
I still kinda have that outlook on life, I'll have my bads days where life seems pointless and has no meaning except waking up everymorning and being judged by people that don't even know and like to make assumptions about me just because of the way I look.

As you move forward in life you will encounter assholes like that. We all have. The assholes that bothered you will sooner or later get their asses kicked and end up working in the shiping department at Net-Flix or handing out hot sauce with the tacos at Taco Bell. You ... on the other hand ... will go on to invent the next great Operating System and retire by age 27 or maybe even come up with the cure for being an asshole and get the Nobel Peace Prize and hang out with Desmond Tutu. I may be stretching it a lil' but you get my point. You have a shit load of life out there just begging for you to come live it. Don't let a couple of dorks get ya down man.

Thanks for that, I know it's true that there going absoutley no where in life but at the same time I can't understand how people can be like that? Don't they realize the kind of pain thier infliccting on others? they kinda stoped now though after one of them put their hands on my shoulders and I riped it off telling them to fuck off, now the've decided to pick on an overweight girl in my class while still occasionly saying something to me.

IMO, assholes are everywhere. The come in all shapes, sizes and colours. So after you are done with school, you are likely to come accross assholes in the form of colleagues, bosses, clients..etc. However you need to try and develop a 'thicker skin' towards them(like your friends i-dont-care-a-damn attitude) and get more adept in dealing with them.

I've tried developing "a thicker skin" but no matter how hard I try, I always care about what people think of me, whether I'm fat or skinny, if my hair is messed up or not, what kind of clothes I'm wearing etc..
I'm not as bad as what I use to be though, last year I wouldn't even go out to the mall, I sat in a car for 6 hours while my family shoped at this huge mall while we were on vaction, and then another 3 hours in a car while they went to a carnival just because I had a bad hair cut.






as for the whole suicide is just "quitting" I strongly disagree. I think if a person made that descision it was their's to make and their's alone. I know the reason why I stoped popping pills was because I couldn't imagine my mom coming in and finding me dead, that's the only reason. If I didn't have a family then I wouldn't be here right now, we all live and we all die, all suicde is, is shortening the gap inbetween those two time frames because we've experience life, we've experienced joy, but most importantly we've experienced the cruelty of others day in and day out. So why keep dragging something on that will eventualy end, espically when it causes you pain? I've already experienced basically everything I will in life, and the other stuff I haven't isn't that important to me. So like I said why keep dragging something on that's eventually going to end?

 

[Vieope]

Hi Tom_B, I just gotta say to try to look for a friend instead of a psychologist. Unless you need medication.
Like that friend that I quoted, you too became happy with visions of suicide?

 

[Big Smoothy]

In high school, well known and popular guy's girlfriend of a couple years broke up with him. about 6 or 7 months later, he left a note at the large grocery store he worked in. It basically said. "Sorry if I leave a mess."

He then drove his car to the emply parking lot in the early hours of the morning, because the parking lot was empty of cars. He stepped on the gas, and drove his car straight into the concrete wall.

It's really hard to comprehend. Sadly it happens.

 

[Tom_B]

Hi Tom_B, I just gotta say to try to look for a friend instead of a psychologist. Unless you need medication.
Like that friend that I quoted, you too became happy with visions of suicide?

Hey Vieope
I have a friend that I know I can tell them anything and vice versa she can tell me anything without worry of consequences. I tried being on zoloft untill I got sick of it and stoped taking it without telling anyone, surprisingly the wekk I decided to stop taking it I decided to go on a bulk and actually gain weight.
I wouldn't necersarily say that visions of suicide made me happy, it was quite the opposite, when I did start imagining what would happen if I killed my self? what would be the easiest way to kill myself? would any of the assholes that said anything to me have absoutley any remorse for what they put me through? etc. this was a big past - time for myself
It's when I started imagining this stuff I relized how much I hated myself, how I hated everything about me, I was disgusted with myself and just plain fed up with life, that's when my ED started, luckily I managed to get through that, they said if I wasn't hospitlized when I was I would have most likely have had a heart attack in my sleep in 2-3 days. But I'm doing alot better now, and like minatour said best " I still have my demons, but for the most part they are chained up. But they still rattle and strain at their chains."

 

[adrien_j9]

As one who attempted it about 13 years ago, all I can say is that you aren't thinking about anyone or anything else at the time. The pain you are going through is so deep there is nothing anyone can do to bring you out of it. It's not a 'coward's way out' or a weak thing to do... it's a solution to pain that you cannot stand, or possibly think there is a remedy for other than dusting yourself off.

I don't mean to lash out or sound angry at anyone (I'm not), but unless you've experienced the profound pain and despair, you can't know it or judge it.

Obviously I failed at it (boy, what a loser... can't even kill myself! ) Sorry, a little black humor there. I came home from work one night and was so depressed (it had been a years-long chronic depression that I tried various treatments for... meds., a shrink, etc.) and started drinking, after not having eaten all day. I had written a note and had every intention of drinking everything in the apartment until I accomplished the mission. And that mission was to not wake up.

Suffice to say I would up with a b.a.c. of .216. I made it out my front door to pass out on the lawn, whereby a neighbor called EMS. I woke up in the ER. I started another form a therapy after that, which I have to say was successful in treating most of my depression. I still have my demons, but for the most part they are chained up. But they still rattle and strain at their chains.

Perfectly said. Perfect.

 

[Minotaur]

Perfectly said. Perfect.

 

[chiquita6683]

Hello Tom_B
I got into a car accident in the middle of my senior yr of hs(over Xmas break) and I wasnt even driving. I had multiple injuries but it also gave me a Traumatic Brain Injury. So I walked in my graduation, got a standing ovation. Continued rehab, finished high shcool, on the way to college.....my mom was giving me a ride to class, she got t-boned, she passed away a week later, which also gave me a second brain injury.

Ok, so I take ALOT of medication for my condition. Wellbutrin is also a good 1 for depression or Lexapro, yeah cause I'm on both.

andNO Prince I dont think i am weak just bc i have to take medicine, or being so depressed that i couldnt get out of bed 1 day, and didnt see the point in going on in life. and I told my father that "I wish I had died in one of the accidents"

but im doing much much better now, i have a purpose here, i dont know what it is yet, but im here for a reason!

good luck Tom_B!

 

[chiquita6683]

Why do I what always post put an end to the thread?

I want Prince to know that what HE says as a forumn owner/moderator has a powerful influence over someone.