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Sumo Deadlift and BB Rows Form
- Thread starter Alaric
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You need to sit back when you do a deadlift, not down. Sitting down places emphasis on your quadriceps via knee flexion. You want hip flexion; it will enable you to move the most weight.
http://www.t-nation.com/findArticle.do?article=194dead
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http://www.t-nation.com/findArticle.do?article=194dead
Check out that article.
same prob, cant open bb row
KarlW said:
He needs to bring his hips and posterior chain into the movement more. So, yes, the lower back is part of the equation.
CowPimp said:
yeah, I agree. You are sitting pretty upright. But, you have to look at why you are doing it. What is the goal you are trying to achieve? I mean, some bodybuilders will deadlift like that to incorporate more quads in the exercise (greater knee flexion will translate to greater amount of knee ext.). Basically, your deadlift there looks like a squat, just with the weight in your arms. If you want to lift heavy then you will be holding yourself back some if you don't DL with your hips (hip extensors) more. Sit back adn down, like pimp said, not just down. How is your lower back strength? But, the form isn't bad or anything. It doesn't look dangerous to me. There is not great amounts of spinal flexion or anything. I wouldn't be concerned if that was your worry. Plus, you are only using 135lbs (it looks like although it is a side view.). I mean, whatever the weight is it looks light for you. Anyone can keep solid form with a weight that is not that heavy for them (or at a greater intensity). Put some weight on, raise the intensity, and try and perform the lift and lets see what it looks like. Challange yourself to maintain solid form with heavier load.
P-funk said:
Yeah, I neglected to mention this, but it is a good point. This will also point you toward what body parts need strengthened.
CowPimp said:
yeah, it is way to easy to keep the form when the resitance is not high. you need to challenge yourself.
I am not knocking it though. That is not a bad deadlift as far as form is concerned. If I were your trainer, provided we weren't training for a powerlifting meet where you had to hit a 1RM but for overal health ro bodycomposition, I would totally let that fly.
P-funk said:
It's just my latest dive into the PL world that made those comments come out. I used to do "bodybuilder deadlifts" too.
CowPimp said:
Ok thanks a lot CowPimp, I believe I've seen this one before, but it doesn't hurt to read it again...The thing I notice most with sitting back is that my knees make a cracking noise on the way up....is that normal??
Alaric said:
This doesn't happen to me, nor have I ever heard of it happening with anyone else, so I would have to say not. However, I'm not entirely sure what it signifies.
P-funk said:
Thanks for the indepth reply...
I'm training for body composition right now, or "bodybuliding style" instead of "powerlifting style", I'm not concered with how much weight I can bring up.
I thought it would be better for me to get the basic foundations of the form down first before I up the weight?? I honestly can't tape myself doing more weight right now just because I'm limited here at home. My lower back is probably one of my weakest body parts (well at least visually it is). Like I said earlier, when I "sit back" I notice a cracking noise in my knees on the way up, is that normal?? I should add to this that my knees do go slightly in front of my toes, so I probably have to nail this "sitting back" form....
I'll take what you guys said into consideration, and go for another tape run later on, see what I can come up with before I start hitting up the higher weights/intensity...
Alaric said:
Knees cracking can be pretty commmon. My knees crack all the time, especially the left knee and left shoulder after I sublexed them both. It could just be some broken up cartalige or it could be crepitus (the cracking of joints). As long as you don't have pain I wouldn't be worried. If you are in pain stop and probably go have it checked out.
CowPimp said:
I'd just like to ask, what exactly are the differences in bodybuilding deadlifts vs powerlifting deadlifts other than the fact that you aren't concerned with how much weight you put up?
P-funk said:
Hmm well that solves that I guess...I hear it cracking and usually the sound itself just scares me, I figured I shouldn't be cracking at an early age (don't know why I've been thinking like this), but I guess I was wrong, since it isn't causing me any pain....
Thanks again
http://web.mit.edu/kevtrice/www/MuleDL600.mov
take a look at that, I've been using that as my point of reference when it comes to deadlift (moreover when he deadlifts 580)....but then again he's wearing a suit I believe, so that does help him a bit out with the form (correct me if i'm wrong)??
take a look at that, I've been using that as my point of reference when it comes to deadlift (moreover when he deadlifts 580)....but then again he's wearing a suit I believe, so that does help him a bit out with the form (correct me if i'm wrong)??
Alaric said:
Bodybuilding style uses the quadriceps to produce the majority of the drive. Powerlifting style uses your posterior chain: gluts, hamstrings, and erector spinae. As well, your hips do a lot more work when you use a PL style.
If your knees are in front of your feet, then you're not sitting back properly. If you sit back, then your knees should remain virtually stationary upon descent. Don't be afraid to use a relatively wide stance.
If you're concerned with body composition, then do whichever one works the muscles you are trying to work.
One additional note: you can see in the video of Kevin Mueller deadlifting that his lower back is his weak point. His hips come up before his head moves "into his traps." This indicates a weakness in the lower back.
exactley. was just going to post the same thing. He is sitting upright like you but his lower back can't handle the load in that position so he has to compesate by rounding forward in the thoracic spine and his come up and apply all the force the can and he is left chest down to try and pull that weight. It is 580lbs and he lifts it so he must be strong in that ROM, in that position. Some people are stong with the round back. Strongmen lift the atlas stones with a round back. Construction workers carry cement buckets with a round back. if you are strong in the ROM then you can get away with it. I bet he could pull more weight though if he sat back and allowed his hamstring and glutes to work more and get the erectors involved rather than sitting up right and having to round like that in the thoracic spine, which may also be lack of flexabilty and not weakness.
