Switch from bulk to cut mid-cycle on Primo?

[david_golds]

I'm wrapping up week 8 of a planned 15 week primo bulking cycle (200mg primo EOD, 40mg test e EOD). Would it be a bad idea to switch from bulking to cutting for the next 7 weeks while continuing to pin primo?

Why? I'm already bigger than I expected to get (people making too many comments, and I don't want to buy new clothes), and hitting PRs every week is aggrevating some old injuries. My bf % has gone down slightly during cycle, but I would like to lose a more fat. I'm thinking about:

1) Lower my calories by 300-500 per day
2) Switch to 3 days lifting (instead of 4) per week. Focus on intensity
3) Add 3 days fasted cardio per week
4) No carbs after 5pm; reduce carbs overall gradually during the 7 weeks

I would do this for 9 weeks (7 weeks pinning, and 2 weeks ater last pin) until start of PCT, then drop cardio and add calories to maintenance during and after PCT. Maintain for 3-4 months after PCT, then roll into a winter bulk.

Opinions or advice? Should I drop the primo dosage and/or throw in some var? Just abort the whole cycle right now and worry about cut next year?

 

[Goldenera]

This your 1st run with primo how did u like it? I'm about ready to run it and I have 400 mg for 8 weeks worth. Was thinking of going to 500-600for 10 weeks instead.

I'd say add the var maybe so gh or gh peptides. test prop would be a better choice then that test e but run what u have.

Fasted cardio has been proven bs. Protein taken pre workout is proven to yield less muscle wasting and more fat burn.

Sucks that haters do this to us. My nick name at work is juice lol....great handle lol. I just play it off any any box I get I work I say is that my roids?!? haters going to hate. Juice doesn't make legends.....diet, training, genetics & juice do. We all know that. It's the fat slob haters that want a magic pill that don't!

 

[david_golds]

I love the primo. No water retention, no sides, just steady hitting PRs over and over. Bloodwork has been looking great; haven't needed to think about AIs or anything. Just did one 4 day pulse of HCG, and maybe will do one or two more before PCT. If you want to bulk, I would suggest 600/wk for 10 weeks for sure. Primo seems to amplify the test a lot, that's why I had to drop down to 125mg/wk of test base. At 250mg/wk test base, I was getting test sides and pumps similar to a 500+mg test only cycle. At 125mg/wk, all the test sides go away and it's just smooth growth.

I have about 3g of IGF-1 on hand that I was planning to use in PCT and maybe even get more peptides to bridge to summer. I actually have prop on hand, maybe I'll switch it up in the final 3 weeks. Since I'm barely doing TRT dosage of test, it's probably not a big deal either way.

I need to research my cardio strategy. I always take Leucine with cardio right now, but seems it might be a waste, since the AAS probably spares muscle just as much as any BCAAs or pre-workout whey protein would. Likewise, it seems like tabata sprints or anything like that might be a waste on AAS. Need to read more...

 

[Goldenera]

Man I swear we are on the same page!
I have been eyeing some test base to hit 2 hrs pre gym days. I've read some great info on test base.

I'm looking more to cut/ lean then bulk. I'm same as u. I need new clothes if I get any bigger.....im fine where I'm at. I don't compete just enjoy the bb game.

I've also been reading lots about bcaa and tabata!

It's rumored Arnold was a huge primo fan. He also rumored I say he thought all the amino/ supps are a waste with roids.....and didn't use supps but juice for his last 1980? Olympia.

However I feel the more of a nitrogen dense environment u create the more muscle u will build and leaner u will get. We all know juice makes your body be able to use more protein so it would only be able to utilize it better in juice.

Tabata or hiit is proven better for getting lean then slow pace cardio. There plenty of info out there proving it. Why would u not want to use hiit if trying to cut up?

 

[david_golds]

I think you might be thinking of "test suspension" rather than "test base"? By "test base", I just meant a baseline amount of testosterone to stack the primo on top of. Normally a test base could be any of the three most common esters: prop, cyp, or enth. You were correct that prop is usually best for a cutting cycle.

Anyway, using test susp before hitting the gym is an interesting idea. I bet it would bring out the aggression and motivation and give you crazy pumps. Maybe I'll have to try that! Right now, methylhexamine (e.g. Jack3d) works pretty good for motivation, but it's nothing like the rage I get from test.

Same page about nitrogen dense environment. That's why I think whey on AAS is probably better than Leucine. I just did some HIIT this morning; several running sprints to repeatedly get my heart rate up to 190 until I wanted to puke, and I've been starved the rest of the day. But I'll probably switch it from sprints to something that gets the heartrate up by moving heavy weights. I can't do barbell complexes anymore because of my injuries, but that used to be my favorite way to do HIIT. On cycle, as long as I keep the training heavy and the calories reduced, the fat should come off and spare muscle. _After_ the cycle, I need to worry a lot more about muscle sparing, so things like leucine, cortisol blockers, carb cycling, peptides, etc. become relatively more important. Maybe I'm overthinking things, but I'd rather save all of that ammunition for post-cycle.