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T??4

Looking forward to see the result! I'm thinking to order some to my self.

Let us know the dose and when you take it,thanks! :)
 
Arenberg said:
Looking forward to see the result! I'm thinking to order some to my self.

Let us know the dose and when you take it,thanks! :)
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I posted a link to someone that is curently doing a daily log on it now.
 
getbig808 said:
looking closer you are right it is 10mg/2ml. i thought it was 10ml/10mg. So you are right 2mg per week or 0.4ml from a 10mg/2ml solution. No i havent tryed it but im getting ready to.
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I'm seeing 450 bucks for 1 vial of 10 mg's. The source looks highly legit, as its a performance racehorse supplements company. Again, veterinary grade. Anyone else seen better prices on this stuff? Seems pretty steep for something which hasn't proven itself yet.
 
krogers58 said:
I'm seeing 450 bucks for 1 vial of 10 mg's. The source looks highly legit, as its a performance racehorse supplements company. Again, veterinary grade. Anyone else seen better prices on this stuff? Seems pretty steep for something which hasn't proven itself yet.
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theres a few around for $25 for 2mg. 2mg is what u'll want to research with for 6 weeks then 2mg per month from there. i dont know if im allowed to post the link but just google ergo tb500
 
Extr~ Pept~ is 29 for 2 mg.
 
Not this product, but i have brought other items.
 
Ok... I am curious as to the quality at $29... Yet, at $29 it shouldn't hurt for me to try it out. (I now need a Guinea Pig)
 
Is this the first peptide that has the benefit of hair growth ? After my rat ran mast/tren/test his lil rat head lost a lot of hair ... would one reccomended giving this a shot or is there better stuff. The female rats in the cage also seem to take note to the sudden loss of his hair
 
AND... it makes a great mouthwash...

Thymosin beta 4 (Tb4) is a highly conserved protein found in all tissues, except erythrocytes. Until recently it had thought to be solely as the major G-actin sequestering molecule. Current investigations have identified it to be an endothelial cell chemo-attractant, an angiogenic stimulant, and an anti-apoptotic and anti inflammatory agent most notably in ocular, skin and heart tissue. OBJECTIVES: The aim of the current investigation was to examine the cytoprotective role of Tb4 on oral tissue using human gingival fibroblasts. METHODS: The human gingival fibroblast cell line HGF-1 (ATCC CRL-2014) was cultured in medium containing 10% serum and then serum-starved. In one set of experiments gingival fibroblasts were treated with TNF-a or chlorhexedine with or without Tb4. Apoptosis was assayed colorimetrically using the ApoPercentage assay. Apoptotic cells were counted in digitally captured images. Apoptosis data was determined as mean number of apoptotic cells +/- SEM. In a second set of experiments gingival fibroblasts were cultured in 24-well plates and treated with either TNF-a chlorhexidine digluconate, Peridex , or carbamide peroxide with or without Tb4. Cytotoxicity was assayed for lactate dehydrogenase (LDH) activity using a colorimetric LDH cytotoxicity assay kit. Statistical analysis was performed using the student's t-test with significance value of p < 0.05. RESULTS: Tb4 was able to protect gingival fibroblasts from apoptosis induced by TNF-a or by chlorhexidine. Additionally, Tb4 was able to protect gingival fibroblasts against the cytotoxic effects of common dental chemotherapeutics such as chlorhexidine digluconate, Peridex and carbamide peroxide. CONCLUSION: Because of its multifunctional roles in protecting cells against damage, Tb4 has significant potential for use in a mouth rinse with its combined antimicrobial, anti-inflammatory, anti-apoptotic, and cytoprotective properties.
Seriously, this could be a nice tool for sculpting.
 
I'm very interested in this drug. It's relatively cheap if you get it from the right place and if it has half the benefits that it claims it would definitely be worth running.
My question is what would happen if you ran twice the recommended dosage? And can you run this indefinitely? Does it work synergistically with HGH or IGF in tissue repair.
I have allot of friends with ligament injuries that could benefit from something like this. Most are using HGH to help with repair but this could be a cheaper alternative or an added aid.
Sadly not enough research has been done on this product, been reading and searching my ass off and only found 3 decent logs on it. Though all logs I did read had the same reports on benefits, no negative sides yet.
 
Jetto said:
I'm very interested in this drug. It's relatively cheap if you get it from the right place and if it has half the benefits that it claims it would definitely be worth running.
My question is what would happen if you ran twice the recommended dosage? And can you run this indefinitely? Does it work synergistically with HGH or IGF in tissue repair.
I have allot of friends with ligament injuries that could benefit from something like this. Most are using HGH to help with repair but this could be a cheaper alternative or an added aid.
Sadly not enough research has been done on this product, been reading and searching my ass off and only found 3 decent logs on it. Though all logs I did read had the same reports on benefits, no negative sides yet.
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How old are you?
 
^ did you really just ask that? Bro, age has a lot to do with running things like GH, TB4, slin, myostatin peptides.
 
I'm 29, I asked why because I didn't see a relative relation to my post. My buddies who could benefit most from this range between 30-50
 
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Alright...
It is relevant because you stated you wanted to run it.
 
so this tb4 could help you put on mass??? iv hear the same about ghrp and cjc but nothing noticed..
 
Fare enough.
So far from what I read it's greatest benefits are health. I read that people experience very mild effects in mass, more body recomposition and leaning out. I'd say the same goes for ghrp/cjc. They add a little mass and reduce some BF but it's nothing like you're going to get from AAS of course.
GHRP/CJC+ aas yielded some great gains for me but that's another topic. Back to tb4
 
Well this is working out well, traded 50iu of HGH for 22mg of TB4. Let's see how this goes
 
dosage

getbig808 said:
Hair Growth

It has also been demonstrated that TB4 promotes hair growth in various rat and mice models including a transgenic TB4 overexpressing mouse24. The mechanism by which TB4 acts to promote hair growth is by its stimulatory effects on follicle stem cell growth, migration, differentiation, and protease production.

Anti-Aging Properties

Applied topically on the skin (as a spray or cream), TB4-7b has very potent anti-aging, anti-wrinkle, anti-scarring and wound healing properties. No adverse or unwanted effects have been observed in case studies and in a phase I/II clinical trial involving 30 patients. Applied topically on the scalp, promotion of hair thickness, change in coloration (from grey back to its original darker colour), and hair growth have also been clearly observed.

Large Clinical Trial About to Be Initiated

When injected into patients it promotes activation of circulating and various organ stem cells in a safe manner, leading to a very potent anti-aging effect. Benefits have so far been observed in patients with a variety of degenerative diseases, such as heart disease, neuromuscular disease, diabetes and emphysema, to name a few. A large clinical trial under FDA regulations is about to be initiated on the efficacy of TB4-7 in patients with Type II diabetes, Duchenes Muscular dystrophy and emphysema.

As has been shown in cardiac tissue, TB4-7 promotes the activation of cardiac muscle and endothelial progenitor cells, and their survival, and decreases muscle apoptosis25. Similarly in the cornea, TB4 promotes cell migration and wound healing, has anti-inflammatory properties, and suppresses apoptosis26. Another group's results indicate that TB4 also promotes the survival and neurite outgrowth of cultured spinal cord neurons27. We have observed similar promotive effects of TB4 on the survival and stimulation of skeletal muscle progenitors and myocytes.

Already Used By Body Builders

Human trial candidates have noticed the following in an ongoing trial in body builders where they inject 10mg of TB4-7 twice weekly for four weeks:

???Increased muscle girth.
???Faster recovery time (wear and tear) from training.
???Increased muscular endurance.
???Increased muscular strength.
???Decreased musculoskeletal pain.
???Improved hand-eye coordination.
???Increased energy levels.
???Improved mood (decreased anxiety).
???Improved sleeping patterns.
???Improved concentration span and short-term memory.
???Improved hair growth.
AdiStem TB4-7??? Peptide is an injectable formulation of TB4. A similar formulation has just completed Phase I clinical trials and has been shown to be safe and well-tolerated. The product candidate has been developed to address medical indications where subcutaneous administration is warranted. AdiStem Ltd. is currently planning a Phase I/II clinical trial to evaluate AdiStem TB4-7??? in type II diabetic patients although other indications such as motorneurons disease, emphysema, and Duchene's muscular dystrophy have been identified as potential targets.


THis dosage seems a bit higher than the 2mg weekly. Am i missing something?
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^^ indeed it is..but this is a short term study at high doses wonder how this compares to long term at low doses.
 
^^^ Bro, that is how it is ran.. It isn't ran like GH, but more like EPO.

With a "frontload", then a maintenance dosage thereafter.
 
Agreed, i am wondering if the frontloading at 2mgs a week is too light? I mean the Human Trial had 10mgs twice a week for 4 weeks, correct? I followed the link posted by getbig to see the blog, he seems to be having good results at the 2mg/week dosage, but...
 
I am on my phone and it is not allowing me to cite... (this should be cited)


Already Used By Body Builders
Human trial candidates have noticed the following in an ongoing trial in body builders where they inject 10mg of TB4-7 twice weekly for four weeks:
???Increased muscle girth.
???Faster recovery time (wear and tear) from training.
???Increased muscular endurance.
???Increased muscular strength.
???Decreased musculoskeletal pain.
???Improved hand-eye coordination.
???Increased energy levels.
???Improved mood (decreased anxiety).
???Improved sleeping patterns.
???Improved concentration span and short-term memory.
???Improved hair growth.
AdiStem TB4-7??? Peptide is an injectable formulation of TB4. A similar formulation has just completed Phase I clinical trials and has been shown to be safe and well-tolerated. The product candidate has been developed to address medical indications where subcutaneous administration is warranted. AdiStem Ltd. is currently planning a Phase I/II clinical trial to evaluate AdiStem TB4-7??? in type II diabetic patients although other indications such as motorneurons disease, emphysema, and Duchene???s muscular dystrophy have been identified as potential targets.
 
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spaemp3 said:
Is this the first peptide that has the benefit of hair growth ? After my rat ran mast/tren/test his lil rat head lost a lot of hair ... would one reccomended giving this a shot or is there better stuff. The female rats in the cage also seem to take note to the sudden loss of his hair
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I run 1/4 of a 5mg Finicar tablet every day when i am on and off a cycle. You may want to look at some DHT Inhibitors. Although, that is another possible benefit from this.
 
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