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I'm 22 and planning my first cycle and looking for some harsh criticism. I'm 6'1'' 192 and 18 to 20% bf

Test E 500mg/wk for 10wk
Test P 200mg/wk for first 5wk(as a kicker)

now here is where the toss up is for an AI I dont know whether to run formerone or aromasin
I am leaning towards formerone


for PCT wk 11 to14
Nolva 40 mg a day split for wk 11 to 13 then wk 14 20mg
HCG 1500iu/wk

Am I missing anything, Anything I should be aware of?
 
aaronsoccer4 said:
I'm 22 and planning my first cycle and looking for some harsh criticism. I'm 6'1'' 192 and 18 to 20% bf

Test E 500mg/wk for 10wk
Test P 200mg/wk for first 5wk(as a kicker)

now here is where the toss up is for an AI I dont know whether to run formerone or aromasin
I am leaning towards formerone


for PCT wk 11 to14
Nolva 40 mg a day split for wk 11 to 13 then wk 14 20mg
HCG 1500iu/wk

Am I missing anything, Anything I should be aware of?
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you are in bad physical shape, many would advise not doing steroids in your condition..


hcg is used during cycle not pct.

pct should begin 2 weeks after last shot of test E

use aromasin


cheers
 
I was going to ask why as well. If I don't use HCG for PCT, my balls look like they're going through a anabolic remodeling..
 
well, the pituitary would stop producing LH to the ball sack on just a high dose of Test.

my Endo is torn on using AAS and HCG. If my leutenizing hormone is still secretin, he will not mix it for me but if I'm in atrophy he'll dose 250 IU either twice a week or I can take 500.
 
Can you post the studies showing its suppressive at the doses we run? I'm always looking to read up and do more research
 
longworthb said:
Can you post the studies showing its suppressive at the doses we run? I'm always looking to read up and do more research
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you're just going to have to take my word for it bro im too lazy


u can run it during pct if u want.. i just wouldnt
 
Honestly what I don't get is why is every first cycle 500mg of test per week? How come not start at 250? That's what I did and guess what...15lbs in that cycle started at 250mg per week till I plateaud then upped to 500mg per week then went off.
 
nspaletta said:
Honestly what I don't get is why is every first cycle 500mg of test per week? How come not start at 250? That's what I did and guess what...15lbs in that cycle started at 250mg per week till I plateaud then upped to 500mg per week then went off.
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your results are atypical
 
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My results were great for a first cycle like anyone else's. only difference is I gained I half the dose that everyone else starts with. Nobody uses the simple theory of growing at the least amount then upping the dose.
 
nspaletta said:
My results were great for a first cycle like anyone else's. only difference is I gained I half the dose that everyone else starts with. Nobody uses the simple theory of growing at the least amount then upping the dose.
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you are wonderful, a true inspiration
 
Standard Donkey said:
you are in bad physical shape, many would advise not doing steroids in your condition..


hcg is used during cycle not pct.

pct should begin 2 weeks after last shot of test E

use aromasin


cheers
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I would certainly not say im in bad physical shape I was a college athlete (until I tore my acl for the second time). The 18 to 20 came from a bmi calculator which I know is incorrect I have been weightlifting for 5 years, only the last two and a half were serious. I am not a cut ripped mother fucker but I'm far from poor physical shape.


Also I think I am gonna take HCG on cycle and for pct

Is anyone oposed to taking out the prop and supplementing Dbol, Anadrol or anavar
basically I'm just looking for a good kicker for the first 5 weeks until the enanthate kicks in

also :winkfinger: on the aromasin I will be doing that for sure

should I stack the nolva with clomid for pct or just use nolva?
 
aaronsoccer4 said:
I would certainly not say im in bad physical shape I was a college athlete (until I tore my acl for the second time). The 18 to 20 came from a bmi calculator which I know is incorrect I have been weightlifting for 5 years, only the last two and a half were serious. I am not a cut ripped mother fucker but I'm far from poor physical shape. this makes no sense.. you are saying you were an athlete in college so there is no way you could be out of shape now?

and because you have been lifting for 5 years, you couldnt possibly be in bad shape? interesting..


Also I think I am gonna take HCG on cycle and for pct on cycle only

Is anyone oposed to taking out the prop and supplementing Dbol, Anadrol or anavar oral kicker would be fine instead of short ester kicker
basically I'm just looking for a good kicker for the first 5 weeks until the enanthate kicks in

also :winkfinger: on the aromasin I will be doing that for sure

should I stack the nolva with clomid for pct or just use nolva? typical pct is clomid with aromasin taper
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cheers
 
Do I smell a hint of jealousy. All I'm saying is why start that high when you dont need to?
 
That was good bro haha. No you are correct in the fact this guy is way too out of shape to even consider using Aas. But I just was surprised of the doses he considered for using the first time. Shit everyone is bigger is better right off the bat these days even running tren for a first cycle haha. Ignorance is bliss with most people
 
Judging by what I can find online from calculators etc.
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I would say I'm around 13-14 % bf. If this picture is even close to correct I am am no where near 20%. the number I gave you was a bmi calculator(which are known to be inaccurate). Im not gonna go out and say I'm in the best shape of my life but I am the strongest I have ever been and I am not out of shape. I was an all state soccer player and all state in track at a few events etc. I'm not here to brag all I'm saying is I know what it means to be in shape. it has been a few years but I have stayed fit since. I know you all say reach your max natural potential first but aint nobody got time fo dat
 
also I do agree if i was 20% body fat I would be way out of shape for AAS. I mixed up my BMI. I thought that number was your estimated BF%
 
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