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Taking M1T and Usnic Acid Together?
- Thread starter M.J.H.
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Hey Mon... maybe you should call it quits with the M1T now? I mean... there was 3 weeks of S1+ already, and youre at 2 weeks of M1T now, right? There will be plenty of time for other cycles, maybe its best not to risk doing any permanent damage. :/
I am starting to think the same thing Monolith. I am really not sure what to do at this point. I am either going to finish up this last week or M1T and then do my PCT, or have tomorrow be my last day and stop it at 5 weeks, rather than 6.
its always better to be safe then sorry.
Usnic Acid is an "uncoupler," which effects the way your metabolism works-->it interferes with the way you produce enrgy, making your system highly inefficient-->producing heat instead of energy. So calories only have about a 60% impact-->the rest becomes heat.
Usnic Acid works very well, with weight loss of 5-8 pounds per week easily possible-->problem is, it can cause serious liver problems and possibly liver failure in some people. It's kind of like DNP-->the active and toxic doses are very similar.
Ironically, although products containing Usnic Acid have been pulled from the market, it is still availble, while Ephedra is not.
I have read way too many very scary user reports to ever try the stuff, even though I really would love to see the effects.
Usnic Acid works very well, with weight loss of 5-8 pounds per week easily possible-->problem is, it can cause serious liver problems and possibly liver failure in some people. It's kind of like DNP-->the active and toxic doses are very similar.
Ironically, although products containing Usnic Acid have been pulled from the market, it is still availble, while Ephedra is not.
I have read way too many very scary user reports to ever try the stuff, even though I really would love to see the effects.
As brodus mentioned, it is an "uncoupler of oxidative phosphorylation." It makes it harder for us to resynthesize ADP into ATP, making a process that is normally about 60% efficient, no more than 40% efficient, throwing off many more calories as heat.
I have used it before with pretty good success, especially combined with E/C. I have seen it work brilliantly for some and only mildly for others. Dose also has alot to do with it. The more you take, the better results you get (up to a point), but this increases chances for both side effects and liver problems.
I have used it before with pretty good success, especially combined with E/C. I have seen it work brilliantly for some and only mildly for others. Dose also has alot to do with it. The more you take, the better results you get (up to a point), but this increases chances for both side effects and liver problems.
GP, do you know anyone who had bad side effects, i.e. the ubiquitous rash, and had to quit taking it?
Do you recommend to people?
Do you recommend to people?
They would be "interesting" to say the least.
No, never had a client get a rash. I have had people feel very lethargic, weak in the gym, headachy and/or nauseous.
I only recommend it to my clients that compete or are extremely hardcore.
450-600 mg of usnic acid per day works well, divided into 3 doses. I do know people that have gone as high as 1200 mg per day, but I feel this is dangerously high and asking for trouble.
Well, most people use this to get from say 6-7% bodyfat down to 3-4%, not b/c they are fat.
As far as safety goes, UA would never raise body temp as high as DNP can. UA is far "safer" than DNP for sure.
GoPro, UA indeed shuts down the oxidative phosphorolation process harder then DNP:
Now, that doesn't make UA more dangerous than DNP (I definitely think we all agree DNP is a much more lethal chemical) for a number of reasons, but something worth noting.
If I was going to try it, I would be extremely conservative for the first two weeks, b/c it's not something that you bump up every day until you see results. That's how most of the bad reports I read occurred. The effects may continue after stopping supplementation:
Also, you may be abnormally sensitive to UA, and it's no fun to learn this in an ambulance on the way to the hospital for liver failure.
From a study on what happens if you shutdown the oxidative phosphoralation process hard :
From an excellent post on UA:
Lastly, for an opposing viewpoint, this is the post from another forum that made me decide to stay away from UA:
Now, that doesn't make UA more dangerous than DNP (I definitely think we all agree DNP is a much more lethal chemical) for a number of reasons, but something worth noting.
If I was going to try it, I would be extremely conservative for the first two weeks, b/c it's not something that you bump up every day until you see results. That's how most of the bad reports I read occurred. The effects may continue after stopping supplementation:
Also, you may be abnormally sensitive to UA, and it's no fun to learn this in an ambulance on the way to the hospital for liver failure.
From a study on what happens if you shutdown the oxidative phosphoralation process hard :
From an excellent post on UA:
Lastly, for an opposing viewpoint, this is the post from another forum that made me decide to stay away from UA:
And it's hard to ignore the FDA action on Lipokinetix:
