Taking M1T and Usnic Acid Together?

[brodus]

Lastly, here is a list of studies on Usnic Acid:

1) J Ethnopharmacol 1999 Sep;66(3):343-6
2) Minerva Ginecol 1999 Jun;51(6):255-60
3) Eur J Pharm Sci 1998 Apr;6(2):141-4
4) Cell Mol Life Sci 1997 Aug;53(8):667-72
5) Nat Toxins 1996;4(2):96-102
6) J Ethnopharmacol 1991 Jul;33(3):217-20
7) Dermatol Monatsschr 1987;173(4):221-5
8) Contact Dermatitis 1995 Oct;33(4):271-2
9) Drug Metab Dispos 1992 Nov-Dec;20(6):909-11
10) Drug Metabol Drug Interact 1995;12(1):53-63

Note, there has not been a single study indicating Usnic Acid as a safe weight loss formulation in humans. It is, however, an effective treatment for genital warts (this is true).

 

[gopro]

Brodus...in NO WAY does usnic acid raise body temp to the level that DNP does. I've seen them both in action and there is NO comparison. I had a few talks about this with one of the bigger "gurus" in the industry, that helps prep many IFBB pros for their shows in the drug dept., and he agreed that UA is not in the same ballpark with DNP. He feels it is almost useless (after some experimentation)...although I disagree with him on that, I certainly agree that UA is in no way DNP.

 

[brodus]

Yeah, the DNP death is a cooking one...NO THANK YOU!!

The UA death is liver failure.

I know you know this : )

Just wanted to point out the apples/oranges for other readers.

I have read a first-person account of an IFBB on DNP, and it literally burns fat off faster than anything...but a few too many mgs, and you're screwed!

The reason they even investigated DNP for weight loss was b/c the women working in ammo factories in WWII who were exposed to DNP were losing, like, 40 pounds in a month or two!

I agree with you, UA and DNP are only for the competitors and the truly hardcore, and even they need to be extremely careful or monitored.

I am more concerned with longevity/maintaining a great physique for life/competing in triathlons, etc., so it's not really attractive to me. I guess for someone whose annual salary depended on that last .5% of bodyfat, it would be a risk worth taking, especially since the stuff is so cheap.

On a side note, I am thinking of running my first Clen cycle...I heard 60% of the U.S. Olympic cycling team is prescribed it for "exercise induced asthma" (which only affects 1% of the population!)

 

[Mudge]

Originally posted by gopro
Some say that...I disagree. And besides, the effective dose and deadly dose of DNP are so close that DNP is just so much more dangerous.

600 is high for DNP and that is after tapering up. I have heard of 800 for a very big guy and most people crap their pants when they hear that.

Oxidization is essentially why people die. If you look at the brain after death, free radical/oxidative damage shows the toll it takes.

Oxygen giveth life and taketh it away.

If you compete though and "need it" to hit 3-4% bodyfat, go for it. One of many reasons I wont be competing.

 

[gopro]

Originally posted by brodus
Yeah, the DNP death is a cooking one...NO THANK YOU!!

The UA death is liver failure.

I know you know this : )

Just wanted to point out the apples/oranges for other readers.

I have read a first-person account of an IFBB on DNP, and it literally burns fat off faster than anything...but a few too many mgs, and you're screwed!

The reason they even investigated DNP for weight loss was b/c the women working in ammo factories in WWII who were exposed to DNP were losing, like, 40 pounds in a month or two!

I agree with you, UA and DNP are only for the competitors and the truly hardcore, and even they need to be extremely careful or monitored.

I am more concerned with longevity/maintaining a great physique for life/competing in triathlons, etc., so it's not really attractive to me. I guess for someone whose annual salary depended on that last .5% of bodyfat, it would be a risk worth taking, especially since the stuff is so cheap.

On a side note, I am thinking of running my first Clen cycle...I heard 60% of the U.S. Olympic cycling team is prescribed it for "exercise induced asthma" (which only affects 1% of the population!)

Thats cool. I'm glad the comparison was made and the effects of each were noted. I have worked with a couple of competitors that decided to take the risk of DNP, and one of them lost 14 lbs of fat in 14 days...AMAZING! But still, not worth it in my opinion. To me DNP are for those that are lazy with their diet and find themselves out of shape with 3 weeks to go. Do it right and DNP will never be needed.

 

[topolo]

where can these products be purchased?

 

[Monolith]

Originally posted by gopro
But still, not worth it in my opinion. To me DNP are for those that are lazy with their diet and find themselves out of shape with 3 weeks to go. Do it right and DNP will never be needed.

You could make the same case for almost any supplement.

 

[gopro]

Originally posted by Monolith
You could make the same case for almost any supplement.

No, this is different. DNP is NOT a supplement first of all...it is a dangerous drug. And there is NO drug/supplement that can kill you as quickly aside from powerful diuretics. Additionally, nothing is in the ballpark as far as physique transformation goes, which is why someone can be rather out of shape and use this stuff for a week or two and literally transform (bodyfat wise).

No drug, including steroids, T3, clen, or anything else works like DNP can if you know how to use it (and even if you do you can still end up dead).

 

[Mudge]

DNP sales are tracked as it is an explosive, not exactly off the shelf. It was a diet supplement waaaaaaay back around WWI days as I recall, it dissapeared very quickly.

Like GP said, I saw similar results in one person who lost something like 5% of his bodyfat in a week without losing any LBM noticeably, while on a high carb diet.

 

[topolo]

how about a link??????????????

 

[Ginobili]

A link for what?

 

[gopro]

Originally posted by topolo
how about a link??????????????

There is no link for supplemental DNP. Usually steroid dealers sell the stuff. Usnic acid you can get on the legal market though.

 

[topolo]

Originally posted by gopro
There is no link for supplemental DNP. Usually steroid dealers sell the stuff. Usnic acid you can get on the legal market though.

would somebody be kind enough to post a link for it through a reputable supplier please?

 

[PreMier]

Originally posted by topolo
would somebody be kind enough to post a link for it through a reputable supplier please?

Dont ask for sources on the board. You should know this.
http://www.ironmagazineforums.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=26651

If its for UA then do a google search.

 

[gopro]

Originally posted by topolo
would somebody be kind enough to post a link for it through a reputable supplier please?

You DON'T plan on using it do you?

 

[topolo]

Originally posted by PreMier
Dont ask for sources on the board. You should know this.
http://www.ironmagazineforums.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=26651

If its for UA then do a google search.

I thought ua was legal.........if it is why cant i ask for a source??????????? Who made you the hall monitor?


SO I ask again does anybody have a link

 

[topolo]

Originally posted by gopro
You DON'T plan on using it do you?

just want to investigate it gp...........I find the whole ua concept interesting.

 

[brodus]

So you are interested in UA?

Do a search on the internet, man. You'll find it.

If you're after DNP, I'd suggest picking up a good 10-year pesticide.

 

[topolo]

i did a search i would like to know a company that somebody here could reccomend. that is the point of coming here.to share experiences and info.........anybody can search google! I am asking for assistance fromy my IM brotheren.

 

[brodus]

PM me and I'll send you a link

 

[PreMier]

Originally posted by topolo
I thought ua was legal.........if it is why cant i ask for a source??????????? Who made you the hall monitor?


SO I ask again does anybody have a link

Damn, your a retard. Did you read my post. I said if it is for UA do a search. You werent specific, so I pointed out to you that asking for sources is not allowed.

 

[topolo]

Originally posted by PreMier
Damn, your a retard. Did you read my post. I said if it is for UA do a search. You werent specific, so I pointed out to you that asking for sources is not allowed.

you are the retard who thinks he runs this place! why do you feel the need to comment on my post. i have spoken about the search engine on this site in the past.i dont like it. that is why i wanted some assistance.................now leave me alone

 

[topolo]

Originally posted by brodus
PM me and I'll send you a link

ok thanks bro

 

[PreMier]

Originally posted by topolo
you are the retard who thinks he runs this place! why do you feel the need to comment on my post. i have spoken about the search engine on this site in the past.i dont like it. that is why i wanted some assistance.................now leave me alone

I dont think that I run the place. You seriously need to grow up. Calling me a "hall monitor" because I was pointing something simple out. I try to keep the site out of trouble because I like it here. Thats all. The reason that I commented on your post is because you WERE NOT CLEAR on what you were asking. As you can see from these 2 quotes:

Originally posted by gopro
There is no link for supplemental DNP. Usually steroid dealers sell the stuff. Usnic acid you can get on the legal market though.

Originally posted by topolo
would somebody be kind enough to post a link for it through a reputable supplier please?

Next time be specific and say what you want. And I didnt know that you did not like the search engine. Why would I.

 

[topolo]

Next time be specific and say what you want. And I didnt know that you did not like the search engine. Why would I. [/QUOTE]


because you seem to know everything!!! I dont need you to lecture me on the rules or to tell me what I can post! Just worry about your threads and leave the content up to the moderators......ok cyber cop?

 

[PreMier]

Originally posted by topolo

because you seem to know everything!!! I dont need you to lecture me on the rules or to tell me what I can post! Just worry about your threads and leave the content up to the moderators......ok cyber cop?

I seem to know everything? Glad thats your opinion, because I never claimed it. And it wasnt a lecture, just a simple suggeston on what not to do. Go ahead and post for sources in the anabolic forum. See how long it stays up.
I could leave the content up to the mods, but I am just trying to help out. No need to freak out on me.

 

[topolo]

Originally posted by PreMier
I seem to know everything? Glad thats your opinion, because I never claimed it. And it wasnt a lecture, just a simple suggeston on what not to do. Go ahead and post for sources in the anabolic forum. See how long it stays up.
I could leave the content up to the mods, but I am just trying to help out. No need to freak out on me.

I'm not freaking out on you but I violated no rules! Your post was not necessary. I am well aware of the rules here and on other forums and I don't need you to explain them to me.

 

[PreMier]

Originally posted by topolo
I'm not freaking out on you but I violated no rules! Your post was not necessary. I am well aware of the rules here and on other forums and I don't need you to explain them to me.

Here we go again.. this is an endless loop. Like I said, this was caused by confusion. If you would have been more specific, then I would not have said that. Sorry.

 

[topolo]

Here we go again.. this is an endless loop. Like I said, this was caused by confusion. If you would have been more specific, then I would not have said that. Sorry.



So am I .......let's forget this! BTW I looked at your pics.........great LATS!!!!!!!!!!

 

[PreMier]

Thanks man