Tamoxifen Citrate

[Tha Don]

dbol only can be expected to gain and lose a lot of water. Its best to run an injectible with it...but dbol only I'm sure has been done a million times with some success.

mannn i hate injections, but i guess i'm willing to give it a 'shot'!

what is better for lean mass gains (I hate bloating, chubbyness, water weight etc...) out of Test and Deca? I've stocked up on all these PH don't even know if I wanna run it all now, I'm getting really tempted by the real shit! I never wanna get HUGE, just big and extremely ripped (shawn ray style) u know?

peace

 

[TrojanMan60563]

Shawn Ray is huge bro....all the pro BBers are huge compaired to normal people...even people that regularly lift. Deca and Test both make you retain water...along with most PH too. Its just part of the bulking that most people have to deal with. I am running Arimidex right now with my test/deca cycle and I am even holding water right now. I can't imagine how bloated and puffy I would be without it.

 

[gococksDJS]

Shawn Ray is huge bro....all the pro BBers are huge compaired to normal people...even people that regularly lift. Deca and Test both make you retain water...along with most PH too. Its just part of the bulking that most people have to deal with. I am running Arimidex right now with my test/deca cycle and I am even holding water right now. I can't imagine how bloated and puffy I would be without it.

-how much arimidex are you running and are you using it ED or EOD? im gonna run a test/deca cycle in a month and was wondering how much arimidex to run

 

[Tha Don]

Shawn Ray is huge bro....all the pro BBers are huge compaired to normal people...

yeah yeah of course hes huge, but he ain't huge like ron colman or jay cutler huge.... infact I'll change my opinion that Shawn Ray IS huge but he is also extremely ripped and still rather natural looking which is what i'm after... unlike the other freaks in pro BB which look utterly discusting! Shawn Ray looks awesome!

 

[Tha Don]

-how much arimidex are you running and are you using it ED or EOD? im gonna run a test/deca cycle in a month and was wondering how much arimidex to run

how much test/deca you running? and how long for?

 

[TrojanMan60563]

-how much arimidex are you running and are you using it ED or EOD? im gonna run a test/deca cycle in a month and was wondering how much arimidex to run

I'm taking 400mg Deca per week and 500mg Test E per week. I am running .5mg Arimidex EOD. I still am retaining water too so I'm sure it would be really shitty if I wasn't on arimidex.

 

[TrojanMan60563]

yeah yeah of course hes huge, but he ain't huge like ron colman or jay cutler huge.... infact I'll change my opinion that Shawn Ray IS huge but he is also extremely ripped and still rather natural looking which is what i'm after... unlike the other freaks in pro BB which look utterly discusting! Shawn Ray looks awesome!

\

Have you ever seen Shawn Ray in person? I've seen quite a few of the BBers in person and none of them look even close to natural. I saw Melvin Anthony in person not too long ago and he is a small pro compaired to jay,chris, or ronnie and let me tell you...he does not look normal/natural. He looked freaky.

 

[gococksDJS]

I'm taking 400mg Deca per week and 500mg Test E per week. I am running .5mg Arimidex EOD. I still am retaining water too so I'm sure it would be really shitty if I wasn't on arimidex.

Yeah, that is what I plan on running. How far into your cycle are you and how has it been going so far?

 

[TrojanMan60563]

Yeah, that is what I plan on running. How far into your cycle are you and how has it been going so far?

I am in my fourth week and up 10 lbs....I'm sure at this point most of that is water. I am expecting the next 8 weeks to be where I see most of the muscle gains since both the test and deca just kicked in full swing. So we'll see. I am going to start running clen/t3 in a week or two. So I'm probably limiting the amount of muscle I will gain on this cycle. Might have been better just running test since I am going to run the t3/clen for 6 weeks.

 

[Tha Don]

\

Have you ever seen Shawn Ray in person? I've seen quite a few of the BBers in person and none of them look even close to natural. I saw Melvin Anthony in person not too long ago and he is a small pro compaired to jay,chris, or ronnie and let me tell you...he does not look normal/natural. He looked freaky.

no i haven't seen him in person, have you?

I'm not familiar with Melvin but Shawn looks great to me, nothing freaky about him just huge n' incredibly ripped up... but you wouldn't look at him and go OMG!!! he looks totally fucked up! yuck! like you would some of the bigger pro's. Like you said he is a 'small pro' thats all I was trying to say... and BTW i'd never call any of em 'small', like you said before they are all huge

is it worth running both test and deca first cycle? or is it best to run test only just to see how I react? worth running 50mg d/bol for the 1st month?

peace

 

[TrojanMan60563]

no i haven't seen him in person, have you?

I'm not familiar with Melvin but Shawn looks great to me, nothing freaky about him just huge n' incredibly ripped up... but you wouldn't look at him and go OMG!!! he looks totally fucked up! yuck! like you would some of the bigger pro's. Like you said he is a 'small pro' thats all I was trying to say... and BTW i'd never call any of em 'small', like you said before they are all huge

is it worth running both test and deca first cycle? or is it best to run test only just to see how I react? worth running 50mg d/bol for the 1st month?

peace

First off I have not met Shawn Ray, but out of the numerous pro BBers I have met my jaw drops every time.

You can run test by itself for your first cycle. I think thats a good idea because you'll want to know how you react to it. Running 50mg of dbol is way too much if its your first time. try 20-30mg instead. Determining if a cycle is worth running depends on what your goal is.

 

[Tha Don]

First off I have not met Shawn Ray, but out of the numerous pro BBers I have met my jaw drops every time.

You can run test by itself for your first cycle. I think thats a good idea because you'll want to know how you react to it. Running 50mg of dbol is way too much if its your first time. try 20-30mg instead. Determining if a cycle is worth running depends on what your goal is.

okay i'm thinking of 10 weeks of test @ 500mg, first 4 weeks w/ dbol at 30mg ed

my buddy who i'ma get the shit off tells me there are loads of different tests, I wad thinking of test ethenate (or whatever it is...), he was like, well... they should have a number after them eg. 'test 250' or whatever, which number is for test e? if it ain't got one not to worry.. i'm sure the guy my buddy gets it from will know what test e is (hes fuckin massive, hes been juicing for decades)

anyway what should I use for pct, is nolva 40/40/20/20 2 weeks after my last test shot sufficient?

peace

 

[TrojanMan60563]

Well if your test e is 250mg/ml you just inject 2cc once a week or you can do 1cc twice a week. everything else looks ok...I plan to PCT Nolva 40mg for first week then lower dose to 20mg for another 5 weeks.

 

[redspy]

okay i'm thinking of 10 weeks of test @ 500mg, first 4 weeks w/ dbol at 30mg ed

my buddy who i'ma get the shit off tells me there are loads of different tests, I wad thinking of test ethenate (or whatever it is...), he was like, well... they should have a number after them eg. 'test 250' or whatever, which number is for test e? if it ain't got one not to worry.. i'm sure the guy my buddy gets it from will know what test e is (hes fuckin massive, hes been juicing for decades)

anyway what should I use for pct, is nolva 40/40/20/20 2 weeks after my last test shot sufficient?

peace

You might want to add some HCG into your cycle to help reduce testicular shrinkage and to increase the effectiveness of PCT.