Test/Deca cycle question

[anaconda]

Let me start with my stats, I'm 45, 5'11" and weigh in at 242. been lifting pretty much all my life but only started anabolics about 3 years ago. i usually just run cycles of test at about 1000mg per week. I just started a new cycle of 800 Test and 600 Deca. I want to bulk up now, then switch off to a cutting cycle after. I was talking to one of the "bigger" guys at the gym yesterday and he asked me why I was taking so much. He said that 500 Test and 200 Deca would be just fine and any more than that I would just be wasting my money. I don't want to sound naive, maybe I am, but wouldn't the more juice you do help your muscles grow bigger? I want to grow, not stagnate.

thanks for any input guys!

 

[Khoiktran]

Is this your first cycle? Have you thought about PT?

 

[anaconda]

It's not first cycle, I've run many cycles of just test, test and masteron, test and EQ, and some of test and d-bol, but this is my first test/deca stack. I have plenty of Letro on hand for the occasional nipple soreness I sometimes get, and clomi for PCT. i've run cycles of test at 1000mg/week. I figured with the deca I can cut that back to 800, and do 600 deca. I use the Supertest 400 and deca 300, so I was planning on doing 2 CC's of each per week. I'm just wondering if I really need that much, or is it overkill? If I can get the same results with less of each then i'm all for that. oh, also I was planning on running this cycle for 12 - 15 weeks.

 

[quark]

Let me start with my stats, I'm 45, 5'11" and weigh in at 242. been lifting pretty much all my life but only started anabolics about 3 years ago. i usually just run cycles of test at about 1000mg per week. I just started a new cycle of 800 Test and 600 Deca. I want to bulk up now, then switch off to a cutting cycle after. I was talking to one of the "bigger" guys at the gym yesterday and he asked me why I was taking so much. He said that 500 Test and 200 Deca would be just fine and any more than that I would just be wasting my money. I don't want to sound naive, maybe I am, but wouldn't the more juice you do help your muscles grow bigger? I want to grow, not stagnate.

thanks for any input guys!

To a given point this is true. Beyond that there is an increase in the probability of sides, so the risks start to outweigh the rewards. Everyone is different though, as not all people respond the same to AAS. IMO I don't think 200mg ew of Deca would do much more than lube your joints. If it were me (just cause I know me, I would run 750 test and 400 deca. Some (like me) are more prone to progesterone gyno, that's why I would stick to 400. But to answer your question directly, if you've had multiple cycles I don't hink what you're doing is unreasonable.

 

[quark]

BTW, if that test is a multiple ester that includes prop you might consider adjusting the dosage and pin EOD to take advantage of the short lived esters.

 

[anaconda]

Thanks J. I was thinking the same thing about the 200 deca. I don't think I would reep much benefit other than pain free joints as you mention. I was thinking maybe dropping back the deca to 450 (1.5CC) per week and keep running test at 800. I wonder if that would give me basically the same results as running 600 deca, while extending my supply a a few more weeks.

 

[quark]

I had extremely good luck with 400, but it was my third cycle. And again, everyone is different. You should also cut the deca a couple of weeks short of the test. Say if you're running test for 15 weeks cut the deca after week 13. You will be shut down hard with deca. Cutting the deca short will insure it is all out of your system prior to pct.

 

[anaconda]

I believe my SuperTest 400 it's made up like this:
test e 50mg
test c 50mg
test decanoate 200mg
test isocaprote 30mg
test prop 30 mg
phenylprop 40 mg

i'm not running it eod, but rather 1CC twice per week. to be honest, until you mentioned the multiple ester with prop I never gave it a thought. I found the above info on the web. Dang, I never realized this. I've been doing every Monday and Friday, maybe I should thrown in a shot on Wednesday as well. The deca I plan on only doing once per week as I know it stays with you longer at a high range.

 

[anaconda]

I had extremely good luck with 400, but it was my third cycle. And again, everyone is different. You should also cut the deca a couple of weeks short of the test. Say if you're running test for 15 weeks cut the deca after week 13. You will be shut down hard with deca. Cutting the deca short will insure it is all out of your system prior to pct.

Yeup, I was already planning on running test a few weeks longer than the deca.

 

[Glycomann]

You don't ned to inj EOD when ther is a little short ester in the mix. That's interweb pharmacology. twice a week is fine. The shorter esters will just get in faster so the area under the curve over the week after injection will have a little more test released in the first few days than if you just injected a mid length Enanthate or cypionate ester.