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The Contender

Now that I think about it, there does seem to be a good story with Alfonso.

If it is real, I still think Anthony is the best of the bunch. A hard puncher and works the body more than anyone there.
 
Couldn't believe Ahmed lost again. Alfonso took some serious punishment in the 5th round , but managed to stay on his feet. Lucky for Ahmed, he's got a very fine piece of ass to go home to. His girlfriend is absolutely smokin'.

I'm routin for Joey or Manfredo to win it all.
 
I am going to have to see the Program again to see again who is who. The Program shows each person kinda fast so you really have to watch closely.

I think Jonathan (If I remember right) was the Man who is a Black Man and is extremely well built. He was on the Program at the beginning and one of the first fighters. Unfortunately he lost and I think there was underlying reasons - I do not think he did as well as he could actually do.

From the beginning I liked Sergio especially after they interviewed him and I listened to him and what he had to say about fighting as well. I felt he was the best over-all Man and that he could win. I still think that way. His lack of bulk and the muscle to go with it is what is going to defeat him if that happens not because he is not a damn good fighter and uses all his skills to do his very best. He seems to be a really damn good Guy all around.

I also like Ishe but do not understand why he needs to be so "combative" with some others unless this is just his style. I do like him. I do not think he needs to be so disagreeable with others. I think it is much better when your actions speak for you.

I'd like to see Jonathan come back for another try. I really think he was not ready at the time for some reason - he did not seem to perform as well as I feel he is capable of. Something else besides his ability held him back I think.

Take Care, John H.
 
Last night was the best episode yet. Anthony looked like he had it all wrapped up.

I was shocked to see him go down... Jesse must pack a pretty powerful uppercut.
 
I had actually picked Anthony to win it all ... now I'm going with the underdog in Alphonso. I'm sure Jesse hits hard, but that shot was all timing ... Anthony coming down and Jesse timing his upcut perfectly. LIke Jesse stated throughout the show, he's a puncher and he always has a puncher's chance.
 
It was a good fight. I wanted Jesse to win and I thought he would not based on his performance early on. And then the surprise. It looked to me as if Jesse was not "ready" for this fight and he even said so to some extent beforehand. I feel he was not getting his punches in right and in some cases not at all and was missing by not connecting a lot. It sure looks as if Jesse is a damn hard puncher when he connects - you know it.

The end bouts are going to be just as interesting. Look at who is left and what that says about each one. I am hoping that Sergio will win - I think he is a good fighter but also uses his knowledge and ability and experience to his best ability. His lack of muscle and some bulk are his weak points I feel but he makes up for it in other ways such as being very smart with each person he fights - he does his homework and preparation very well - he is no dummy by any stretch of the imagination and knows boxing very well. He also seems to be a damn good person and well-rounded and open minded and learns from every experience well.

I am hoping Sergio will win it all.

Take Care, John H.
 
busyLivin said:
Last night was the best episode yet. Anthony looked like he had it all wrapped up.

I was shocked to see him go down... Jesse must pack a pretty powerful uppercut.
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Hi Busy,

I agree. I sure never thought Jesse would win based on his initial performance - he was not ready and "not all there" you could see that - he seemed to be dragging and not really into it - he said he was not really ready and I think the fight showed that but it also showed he does damage when he connects. He had trouble connecting but when he did it was certainly known!

All said Jesse is a hard hitter - he sure showed that. I honestly thought Anthony was going to win based on his initial performance.

It was a good fight.

Take Care, John H.
 
naturaltan said:
I had actually picked Anthony to win it all ... now I'm going with the underdog in Alphonso. I'm sure Jesse hits hard, but that shot was all timing ... Anthony coming down and Jesse timing his upcut perfectly. LIke Jesse stated throughout the show, he's a puncher and he always has a puncher's chance.
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Hi Natural,

Imagine IF he WAS "ready" for the fight - what would he have done then? How much more damage would he have inflicted? Jesse said before the fight he was not up to his usual and it was evident in the first part of the fight he was not "all there" but he sure "woke up" later...

I feel Jesse could have done a much better job fighting. I can see his potential if he is "all there" and "ready" - he would be one damn hard person to fight and his punches are damn hard when he connects.

Take Care, John H.
 
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The fact that Peter Manfredo is in the final really rubs me the wrong way. He shouldn't even be in the game. They really should come up with another strategy if a player has to leave... like a challenge for someone to get a free pass to the next round...

Either way, I don't think anyone will beat Jesse.
 
Peter won against Alfonso. I thought Peter would win.

Look at who is left - Jesse, Sergio and Peter.

I still think Sergio may win in the end - he does not look as if he really is a boxer considering his size ( he REALLY needs to add about 20 pounds of SOLID muscle to his frame!!), he just does not LOOK as if he would be able to do much - but that fools many and he is damn smart in what he actually DOES and HOW - he THINKS and sizes EVERYTHING up before he goes into anything and WHILE he is in the ring and is very well prepared BEFORE he goes into a fight (although his lack of muscle size is I feel his greatest weakness). He is a damn good fighter. He sure UTILIZES what he HAS to the very best of his ability. All around. And seems like a damn good Man as well. When in the ring he DOES the work that needs doing using ALL his abilities.

You really end up liking each Man and some one must be the winner in the end. They all can not win obviously. It is a hard call but if it is not Sergio I think it will be Jesse in he end.

Take Care, John H.

Take Care, John H.
 
busyLivin said:
The fact that Peter Manfredo is in the final really rubs me the wrong way. He shouldn't even be in the game. They really should come up with another strategy if a player has to leave... like a challenge for someone to get a free pass to the next round...

Either way, I don't think anyone will beat Jesse.
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Hi Busy,

I know what you mean.

Jesse IS a damn good guy too. And damn smart and able. You can not help but LIKE him. Especially as a person. Not just a fighter. But I like all of them each for various reasons. That Peter ended up defeating Alfonso to me is not a surprise but Alfonso IS a damn good fighter too and will be in the ring again I am sure somewhere.

I think what we all look for in a good boxer is the "polish" - the TOTALITY of the man and ALL that he can do and be. ALL AROUND MAN. AND COMPLETELY AND TOTALLY ABLE in every respect not just boxing. To me if Sergio were to add about 20 more pounds of solid muscle he would BE that Man. Jesse could also - he just needs to "polish" the muscle he has and maybe even add another 10 pounds of muscle. I like both Men a lot.

Take Care, John H.
 
I know what you mean.. I like 'em all, I just don't think Peter deserves to be in the final. :(
 
busyLivin said:
I know what you mean.. I like 'em all, I just don't think Peter deserves to be in the final. :(
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Hi Busy,

Well he DID earn his way to this stage of this program. Even Alfonso said so. Yes he lost to Alfsonso in t he beginning for whatever reason - he did lose.

I really thought it was a close fight between Peter and Alfonso. At times Peter seemed to f-up in the fight but so did Alfonso. When Peter connected HE DID. Look at Alfonso's face after the fight. I did not think Peter did that much damage - what they show you goes so damn fast and sometimes is hard to see what is really happening - unless Alfonso bruises easily. I think Alfonso was honest and like he said Peter fought well too.

Jesse and Sergio seemed to want Alfonso to win and thought mostly that he had throughout the fight - or at least in part. (We are not shown much but from what I saw Jesse and Sergio seemed to be in Alfonso's corner at least from time to time).

I think Jesse and Sergio DO THINK and THINK ALOT and OBSERVE even WHILE WITH an opponent. These two guys are very much alike in a lot of ways. If these two end up fighting each other I do not know who I would want to win because I really like them both. I just have a feeling Sergio will be the ultimate winner but he will have to work damn hard at it because Jesse is NO slouch!!! And is NOT a "dummy" by any stretch of the imagination.

Take Care, John H.
 
Alfonso didn't show the same heart he fought with in his first fight with Peter. In his second fight, he seemed to loose a few rounds but gave it his all in the 5th round. In this fight, it appeared that his heart just wasn't there.

I would love to have this program extended to an hour and half and be able to watch the entire fight. As with the UFC reality show, these guys are all a long ways off to contend for any belt. With that said, I think this is to be used as a stepping stone onto bigger and better things.
 
TCAP28 said:
Jesse is a good puncher. If he manages to land a good one on Sergio, he might win. However Sergio is a boxer and knows how to play with his opponent's head... look how he defeated Ishe Smith. He frustrated him.
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Hi TCAP,

Exactly! Sergio IS A VERY SMART AND MULTI-FACETED MAN. He SEES things from ALL perspectives. Not just boxing but ESPECIALLY in boxing and his opponents. He I feel knows he is not able to defeat everyone but will do the best of his ability everytime and utilizes all he has to do so. This includes using his head and his thinking. FOR SURE, if he looses to another, it will NOT be because he DID NOT TRY TO THE BEST OF HIS ABILITY. He NEEDS MOST DEFINITELY about 20 pounds more of SOLID MUSCLE. BIGTIME! I feel that is his greatest weakness. He NEEDS to work harder to GAIN this for himself not just for boxing but for his LIFE. It would BENEFIT HIM GREATLY!!!

Take Care, John H.
 
Goodfella9783 said:
I like all of the remaining three, they all seem like great guys and they're awesome fighters. I'm gonna route for the local guy, Pete Manfredo Jr.
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Hi Goodfella,

It is damn hard NOT to want EACH of them to win. That is impossible because only one can. But I DO like each of these Guys. I have watched the whole series and you do end up liking these Guys. And they themselves have said that they did not realize this in the beginning and they too like each other more the more they have been around each other.

To me Sergio the most and Jesse a real close second. And certainly Peter too.

I feel they will be lifelong friends.

Take Care, John H.
 
John H. said:
He NEEDS MOST DEFINITELY about 20 pounds more of SOLID MUSCLE. BIGTIME! I feel that is his greatest weakness.

Take Care, John H.
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I disagree. I think he is doing well with the weight he's carrying around now. His style is based on speed, so if he throws on 20 lbs. it might hurt his quickness. I thought the same thing at the beginning of the series, but now that i've seen him perform pretty well, if I were him, I wouldn't change anything.
 
Goodfella9783 said:
I disagree. I think he is doing well with the weight he's carrying around now. His style is based on speed, so if he throws on 20 lbs. it might hurt his quickness. I thought the same thing at the beginning of the series, but now that i've seen him perform pretty well, if I were him, I wouldn't change anything.
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Hi Goodfella,

I think he could have both - speed and the extra muscle. In my opinion. I think he would know how to develop both very well. He sure seems to me to have his "head screwed on REAL WELL".

I'd like to see him add the muscle. I think it would give him the extra "back up" he could utilize and certainly I feel he would be much healthier for having done so.

Take Care, John H.
 
In putting on the lbs, my belief is either you have to be a superior boxer in the division you're currently in or be very heavy handed. Sergio is neither. Putting on the extra lbs puts him in the light heavyweight class ... and I don't think he has the tools to cope with the bigger boxers.
 
naturaltan said:
In putting on the lbs, my belief is either you have to be a superior boxer in the division you're currently in or be very heavy handed. Sergio is neither. Putting on the extra lbs puts him in the light heavyweight class ... and I don't think he has the tools to cope with the bigger boxers.
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Hi Natural,

You might be right with MOST people but I feel Sergio is not "most people".

There is A LOT to Sergio and you (meaning anyone here) do NOT find in Men as well-rounded and smart as he IS.

I think he REALLY COULD handle just about anything - and VERY WELL.

If it puts him in another class I think he would succeed there too.

They do not spend a lot of time on Sergio and saying much about him but from what I have seen and heard and heard him say in the beginning of the series he has GREAT POTENTIAL.



Take Care, John H.
 
Everyone has their opinion. I personally think that unless you dominate one class, going up in weight will not benefit a boxer. There are some who go up and dominate every weightclass they are in (Chavez, Leonard, Jone Jr, etc) It is their domination in one weight class that allows them to bring that skill to the next weight division. I think that if Sergio was knocking guys out on this show or putting on boxing clinics, then going up in weight might work, but I don't see him doing either. In adding extra lbs, he'd be boxing guys who most walk around at 175 naturally. Some probably come down from 190+ to make the weight. Hard to compete with a natural lt heavy/heavy weight in my opinion.
 
oh, it is on tues??
 
Goodfella9783 said:
Did anyone watch premier of "the Contender," the NBC reality boxing series. If so, what did you think about it? Personally, I'm so sick of all the reality shows coming out nowadays, but I didn't find this one too bad.
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Anything that brings boxing back to the general public in a positive way is ok by me.
 
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