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THE END IS NEAR for the beloved PHs!

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Yes what you guys are saying is true. I just left Fitness Essential a place where I get my suppliments and he told me that one of his vendors told him that ergo has stop making the 1-AD already.

I don't know how true it is, but that's what he told me.
 
It usually takes a while for a bill to be signed by the PRes after congress passes it. I think the more immediate danger here is the FDA banning it. Like they did with the andro it was quick and decisive!!

Either way we have a few months at best.
 
With this being an election year I'm sure he (the Pres) wants to make an example out of someone and it looks like the victim is PH.
 
I disagree--there is this very crucial event going on in the middle east right now, and that has front-page coverage of every newspaper. I think the PH thing will be tabled until after election.

I say this b/c if the Pres. spent time dealing with this (PH issues) right now, he would open up a huge point of attack for Dems and Kerry, who are already tryign to point out that not enough planning, time, etc. was spent on the war effort.

I am just a shade over optimistic about this right now. I was saying four months tops last month. Now I feel we probably have until the end of the year. I also think supp. companies feel this way-->look at the new products coming out. Also, what retailer/small label is really going to buy kilos of stuff like 1Test or M1,4ADD from China and have them capped if they truly believe the gig is up in June.

The FDA has made their move on Ephedra and Andro. I think they just might have their hands full with this and the myriad other issues they deal with on a daily basis. I also don't know of anytime in the past where they dropped a sweeping "ban" on the multiple substances we're discussing all at once. The logisitcs call for a bill, and that is what Biden is doing.

Then again, I dropped half a grand last month, so my stock is almost complete!
 
Originally posted by brodus
I disagree--there is this very crucial event going on in the middle east right now, and that has front-page coverage of every newspaper. I think the PH thing will be tabled until after election.

I say this b/c if the Pres. spent time dealing with this (PH issues) right now, he would open up a huge point of attack for Dems and Kerry, who are already tryign to point out that not enough planning, time, etc. was spent on the war effort.

I am just a shade over optimistic about this right now. I was saying four months tops last month. Now I feel we probably have until the end of the year. I also think supp. companies feel this way-->look at the new products coming out. Also, what retailer/small label is really going to buy kilos of stuff like 1Test or M1,4ADD from China and have them capped if they truly believe the gig is up in June.

The FDA has made their move on Ephedra and Andro. I think they just might have their hands full with this and the myriad other issues they deal with on a daily basis. I also don't know of anytime in the past where they dropped a sweeping "ban" on the multiple substances we're discussing all at once. The logisitcs call for a bill, and that is what Biden is doing.

Then again, I dropped half a grand last month, so my stock is almost complete!

Sorry, I wish you were right, but I'm pretty sure you are wrong. We just had raw materials DESTROYED! Not sent back, not confiscated...destroyed. Vitamin Shoppe ordered a huge amount of Monster Test from us just last week, and now cancelled it b/c of how close the ban is. I think this thing is right on top of us!
 
I am pretty sure 6-oxo is not included.
 
Pat said it was not included....
 
Originally posted by Twin Peak
I am pretty sure 6-oxo is not included.

Really? Well, thats good. However, someone will probably tip them off to this too and they will add it.
 
That's too bad about proh's etc.

What is everyone going to use now?

The real stuff or nothing??
 
Originally posted by david
What is everyone going to use now?

The real stuff or nothing??

guess so, but everyone can start stocking up and if you vacumm seal them they will be good for around 3-4 years.
 
We just had raw materials DESTROYED!

Who destroyed it? And under what authority?

I don't quite understand...I mean, I do understand that VPX is a high-profile company that does everything it can to attract attention to itself for selling "legal steroids,":

designer prosteroids

may induce quality lean mass far more efficiently than most real gear.

the only "orally active" prosteroid.

So this alone may have been why you were targeted, but at what point was it found, confiscated, and destroyed? And when you say "raws," I assume you mean kilos of raw powder products like 1-test, etc. I'm just trying to understand this situation, because you're the only person to have made such claims, and it seems beyond the logistical scope of U.S. Customs to be able to stop a few kilos of anything coming in. They search less than 1% of shipments, and they're looking for real drugs and bombs, etc., almost exclusively.
 
Originally posted by brodus
Who destroyed it? And under what authority?

I don't quite understand...I mean, I do understand that VPX is a high-profile company that does everything it can to attract attention to itself for selling "legal steroids,":







So this alone may have been why you were targeted, but at what point was it found, confiscated, and destroyed? And when you say "raws," I assume you mean kilos of raw powder products like 1-test, etc. I'm just trying to understand this situation, because you're the only person to have made such claims, and it seems beyond the logistical scope of U.S. Customs to be able to stop a few kilos of anything coming in. They search less than 1% of shipments, and they're looking for real drugs and bombs, etc., almost exclusively.

Well, despite the fact that you took this opportunity to knock VPX once again (what else is new) I will respond to your questions. All I know is that the raws (a very large amount) was held up in customs for about a month. We were trying to get it out but could not. I THINK that they were going to send it back but the manufacturer refused it for some reason. Then it was "destroyed." This is what I was told by VPX CEO and why we will not be producing a M-dien product like was planned.
 
I ask it as an inquiring mind who is a skeptic...I find it peculiar that there has only been one report of this kind of action, and only from one source. :confused:

I agree, there is corruption in our government, just as every institution run by human beings, but come one, it's not like an episode of NYPD Blue where the cop on the edge is going to settle the score with an old roid dealer by destroying his shipment. We're talking about chemicals that virtually every cop or Customs agent has never heard of, and that are presently legal. These guys are just like you and I--and very few go out of their way to work harder than they have to. I just am trying to understand where this kind of directive comes from, who pulls the trigger.

All I am saying is even if something was destroyed, I just feel there is more to the story. If this was a common practice, we would have heard about, if not here, on other boars. Unless you hear both sides, and do an honest investigation, your left believing the story of a paid sponsor, and in my book of logical analysis, that's not worth much. :shrug:

But of course, I already stocked up, so I guess that shows you how certain I am that it is coming this year :D
 
Thanks for that link, Prince. From that:

The FDA has also increased enforcement actions against fraudulently marketed dietary supplements.

From the VPX website:

Drug-Like Effectiveness... Guaranteed!

Methoxygen???
Nitrogenic Antiglucocorticoid - Guaranteed More Potent Than Deca!

The FDA could act on this alone.
 
There is ONE thing that I would like to see the FDA do that it is says it will, which is make a supplement company prove their claims before sticking them on their ads!

that would be a good thing. :thumb:

there is so much false and exaggerated crap put into the advertising and marketing of supplements these days it makes me ill when I pick up a maazine and read some of the ads.

MuscleTech is one of the worst offenders in the industry.
 
Bro, I agree so much it's not funny. The FDA is so under-staffed and overwhelmed, it's a joke.

I've heard that by the time they can send a letter out to a company for false advertising, the company has already made their money, and people are popping their products. They're so behind the game. Anything they do looks stupid b/c of this.

I firmly believe I, as an intelligent consumer, can make my own decisions of what to take/not take. But it would sure help if the government agency that claims to protect consumers from fraud would do so. Not to beat a dead horse, but you can still buy Usnic Acid, while Ephedra, which you can grow in your backyard, is banned.

I'm a fan of limited government, but when you have flagrant abuse of advertising and unchecked greed, you need regulations.

You or I would never sell bunk product in a fancy package, b/c we enjoy working hard for what we get out of life, but not everyone is like this, sadly...

I also think the pharmaceutical industry plays a big role in all of this. They don't even want us to buy things like cancer treatment from Canada b/c they're so damn greedy...shows you where their heart is.

It doesn't have to be this way. Notice that a lot of 1fast400 products that we KNOW work have no claims at all on them. There's quite a few companies who are quite understated and do it the right way. Contrasts this to the other end of the spectrum "lose 30 pounds in 30 days on Carntine and Green Tea"

And MuscleTech....what sickens me is they'll still be able to sell their overpriced, overmarketed garbage after the ban, and I won't be able to get bulk Methyl 1,4ADD. $20 says they'll incorporate this into their marketing somehow.

Speaking of false advertising, have you read the feedback on Adnergy? Not so good, actually straight up bad. I didn't think Optimum would tread down this path.

http://www.1fast400.com/product_reviews.php?products_id=977
 
Originally posted by Robert DiMaggio
so you like it when the government takes away your rights to decide which supplements you can use?

Hmm nah, I just wanted to sing the song. ;)
 
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Once they are banned I would quit posting about them and flush em. Not that the feds are gonna come knocking at your door but I would not place any big orders (or any for that matter) right now. I certainly would not think about selling them or anything. If I had any, I would flush em.
 
Oh please. The gov't would be banning PHs no matter what any supplement company claims. There is one reason PH, ephedra, and soon many other supplements (perhaps even down to vitamins) have been banned! The gov't wants the cash out of the hands of the supplement companies and in the hands of the pharmaceutical companies. The FDA is not worried about guarding our health, they want to destroy it so that more drugs can be sold, more medical equipment can be used, and more surgeries done. They want us fat and diseased cause its good for business.
 
Originally posted by gopro
There is one reason PH, ephedra, and soon many other supplements (perhaps even down to vitamins) have been banned! The gov't wants the cash out of the hands of the supplement companies and in the hands of the pharmaceutical companies. The FDA is not worried about guarding our health, they want to destroy it so that more drugs can be sold, more medical equipment can be used, and more surgeries done. They want us fat and diseased cause its good for business.

:thumb:

I agree with that!

Anyone that thinks the FDA cares about our health is an ignorant, brainwashed fool! :)
 
Originally posted by billyzane1
Once they are banned I would quit posting about them and flush em. Not that the feds are gonna come knocking at your door but I would not place any big orders (or any for that matter) right now. I certainly would not think about selling them or anything. If I had any, I would flush em.

that is comical.
 
they want to destroy it so that more drugs can be sold, more medical equipment can be used, and more surgeries done. They want us fat and diseased cause its good for business.

Okay, dude, FDA might not be the proactive health protector you or I would like, but this statement is paranoid bullshit. I dare you to say this in any public forum, i.e. with real people, not internet junkies or conspiracy theorists, and see how far it gets you. Please, man. This is garbage.

I don't particularly love the FDA, but to think they "want us fat and diseased" is horseshit. Sort of like the superiority of the liposomal delivery of M1T that you ass rape newbies for and then claim is safer on the liver. We know your not much for real science--you've proven that, but I didn't know you were a conspiracy theorist, too?

For your boneheaded information, THEY are part of US, the part of US that realized to beat the system means you might have to actually get INVOVLED, but the way you talk, you must think all of those people who work 9 to 5s for FDA are "in on the take," as if they too wouldn't suffer in a world run by the pharmaceutical companies they police and distrust.

Have you ever spent a few hours with a representative, gone to D.C., sat in a congressional hearing, interviewed influential government players, taken any collegiate-courses in modern political theory or philosophy of law?

You certainly don't talk like someone who has.

You sound like a fifteen-year-old in a trench coat with zits living in their parnets basement watching re-runs of the X-Files and jacking off to MuscleMag who still hasn't figured out that the only way to get your way in a democracy is to capture the minds of the majority...and you don't do it by implying that the thousands of full-time government workers are all in cahoots to fuck VPX and the rest of the country...au contrair, you represent a company that is certainly, blatantly trying to fuck consumers...I see the truth, and that pisses you off, as it should, because its a sad irony when the reflection you get from a polished mirror doesn't match up to the mental self-fantasy you project.

Do you honestly think you could affect any serious change with your attitude?

YOU are exactly the reason that this shit goes down. You are part of a greed-centered industry, and you think everyone thinks like you. You are the one that's brainwashed. You act like you're a spokesperson, but you don't shit about the biochemical science conversion pathways, HTPA supression from 4-Hydroxytest, enzymatic conversions, the difference between absorption and bioavailabilty, etc. ad inifinitum.

You, and many other VPX reps, have had your asses handed to you so many, many times by knowledgable bros on anabolicminds, bb.com, and other sites that I almost hesitated to write a repsonse, since, unlike smart people, you don't know when to shut the fuck up and appologize for selling $100 bottles of piss (oops, I mean METHOXYGEN) and calling it "better than DECA" you corporate whore.

Hey Eric, look out for the black vans--I heard Senator Biden and friends got wind of Gangsta Test's potency, sent a lackey here, and read your posts...then the FDA and big pharma reps saw your picture and saw your muslces as a threat to their global plan....their onto you man....the gig is up....they KNOW! DROP THE CHRONIC AND CALL SCULLY AND MOULDER!!
 
I think you're confusing things.

You're thinking about the ATF, the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms.

FDA is the Food and Drug Administration. They have no jurisdication over booze and tobacco. They deal with Food and Drugs, and food additives (supplements). BUT they constantly produce messages about how bad drinking and smoking is for you. I've made helath curriculum under their funding, I know this.

Who do you think works there, nazis? Their mostly staffed by underpaid college graduates, many with advanced degrees, who wanted to work for the government. I have interviewed people on the hill, sat through sessions of congress, and more, and while I totally KNOW change needs to happen, I just think the average person has NO CLUE what that means, how it happens, and who champions it. It's not like on the movies or T.V.

Rob, you should be very pissed off that the people who sold you all of the supps you've taken pver the years also sold your freedom up the river, b/c it's honestly the only industry at this level of income (multi-billions) that can't standardize, get together, and bring a voice to congress, and that speaks volumes about how much they care to old senators and people who operate on the "Actions Speak Louder Than Words" maxim, people who have seen a lot of shit go down, firsthand.

I get pissed off b/c corporate shills like no-name needed above make fabricated claims to stir up a reaction in people who don't know any better, and then cry foul when you hand them their ass.

I'm tired of this debate. There really is no debate. The people who could have sent expert witnesses to Capitol hill, self-regulated to prevent sale to minors, funded research, etc., were too busy counting greenbacks and dreaming up exit strategies and legal protections to help us.

And now their lackeys still won't own up, and pass the buck yet again. It's sickening.
 
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