These People Demand Citizenship!!!

[NeilPearson]

Ok, let me explain this a little more. I realize that a student visa isn't citizenship. I have a handful of friends that have already applied for their citizenship. My friend, Mo, says that he was allowed to apply after being a legal resident of the US for 5 years, which worked out well for him, because he will be graduating right at about the same time as his paperwork goes through. Basically, all he had to do was renew his student visa every year for five years then take a test and apply for citizenship where he then will swear in, and became a full fledged American. He also told me that his brother has already gone through the process, but came to the US on a work visa. The same process applies. All he had to do is keep renewing his work visa every year for five years, and maintain residence in the US. At the end of the 5 years he applied and was granted citizenship. By the way, Mo and is brother are from Pakistan, so you can not tell me that it is harder for a Mexican to be granted citizenship than an Arab.
You know what did make the whole process a lot easier for them?

KNOWING HOW TO FUCKING SPEAK ENGLISH!!!

If you are too stupid or uneducated to figure out how to apply for a work visa, then I do not want you to come here. The collective intelligence of the US is low enough as it is without people bringing it down lower.
I am going to ask some of my other friends if they plan to immigrate to the US, and how hard it was for them to do so. I will let you guys know what they have to say about the subject, because I am sure they can provide some insight into this.

Student visas are considered non-immigrant visas and the time spent on them does not allow you to apply for citizenship. The same is true of TN work visas. As a Canadian, I may be able to get a green card but there really isn't an easy path to citizenship

 

[maniclion]

I always hear that illegal immigrants are stealing our jobs. Could someone tell me, what jobs are they stealing?

 

[GFR]

I always hear that illegal immigrants are stealing our jobs. Could someone tell me, what jobs are they stealing?

More like driving the market down, they will work for much less than an American will.....and the rich love that.

 

[clemson357]

There was another post made by another member that was similar but I side with Foreman on Clemson.
I would love to see him post something positive or different, I also post threads about current events but not insult that persons race.
I have been around a lot of good people from other races to know better.


We all have our prejudices, I can understand that but Clemson's a little coward who will not admit it. At least Richyo.. admitted to being a bigot, and you know what....I respect him for that.

Min0 holds a grudge from some lame argument over two months ago. I started a thread about murder rates, that was 100% factual, and didn't express any opinion what so ever.

The thing about people like Min0 and Foreman is that they are too lazy to try and articulate a real thought. If someone posts some statistics on murder rates, and you don't agree with it, then explain your side. If someone posts something about illegal immigrants and you disagree, how about share your opinion.... The fact is that they would rather hide behind the race card than exert their brain.

 

[KelJu]

Student visas are considered non-immigrant visas and the time spent on them does not allow you to apply for citizenship. The same is true of TN work visas. As a Canadian, I may be able to get a green card but there really isn't an easy path to citizenship

I just talked to two of my friends that are here in the US with an F-1 student visa. They will both be filing for naturalization at the end of August. You will have to show me some proof that time spent in the US as a student doesn't count towards citizenship, because they are both saying that you full of shit.

 

[clemson357]

Anyway, the only point I was trying to make with this thread was that I think Mexican immigrants would recieve a lot more sympathy from Americans if they held rallies in which the waived only American flags, and made a well-spoken case about how all they wanted was a living wage, and to work for a living....

I think that would be a lot more successful than a rally with a mexican flag, where the chants are in spanish, and people are disrespecting the american flag....

 

[GFR]

Min0 holds a grudge from some lame argument over two months ago. I started a thread about murder rates, that was 100% factual, and didn't express any opinion what so ever.

The thing about people like Min0 and Foreman is that they are too lazy to try and articulate a real thought. If someone posts some statistics on murder rates, and you don't agree with it, then explain your side. If someone posts something about illegal immigrants and you disagree, how about share your opinion.... The fact is that they would rather hide behind the race card than exert their brain.

Please son, you have yet to show any intelligent posts. Making threads about who you hate and posting limited facts is far from intelligent.

 

[min0 lee]

Min0 holds a grudge from some lame argument over two months ago. I started a thread about murder rates, that was 100% factual, and didn't express any opinion what so ever.

The thing about people like Min0 and Foreman is that they are too lazy to try and articulate a real thought. If someone posts some statistics on murder rates, and you don't agree with it, then explain your side. If someone posts something about illegal immigrants and you disagree, how about share your opinion.... The fact is that they would rather hide behind the race card than exert their brain.

I just enjoy pissing you off, just look at you...last week you put my name under your name kiss and before that you started a thread about me and now I am in your signature.

The only thing I did was show your girlfriends picture with a black man.....that's right folks.

Clemsons girl went black and now she won't go back, your so wack jack.

 

[clemson357]

I just enjoy pissing you off...

you must be dissappointed when I just laugh at you then...

 

[Dale Mabry]

I just talked to two of my friends that are here in the US with an F-1 student visa. They will both be filing for naturalization at the end of August. You will have to show me some proof that time spent in the US as a student doesn't count towards citizenship, because they are both saying that you full of shit.

That was my take too, a couple of my friends went the same route, my University has a ton of foreign folk and guys I have known since Freshman year are citizens now. I honestly couldn't care less, but they look at it as a badge.

I will say, this prolly doesn't apply to some dude gardening. I can't imagine a work visa for that. I guess that is the point many anti-immigration folk take. The immigrants bitching aren't necessarily the cream of the crop where they are coming from. Not to say their function in society isn't important, and most of those rich white folk would be up shit creek if they had to pay a unionized work force to do all manual labor jobs.

 

[MyK]

I went to a US school for my masters because It will aid me in working in the US in the future

 

[min0 lee]

you must be disappointed when I just laugh at you then...

Nope, I know for a fact your pissed off.
It's obvious.

 

[Doublebase]

I think we should let them stay here and tax them. Fair.

 

[Dale Mabry]

I think we should let them stay here and tax them. Fair.

I doubt they could live here AND pay taxes. But, give them citizenship and they can collect welfare, and therein lies the problem.

 

[clemson357]

I doubt they could live here AND pay taxes. But, give them citizenship and they can collect welfare, and therein lies the problem.

^ 9,999th post

 

[NeilPearson]

I just talked to two of my friends that are here in the US with an F-1 student visa. They will both be filing for naturalization at the end of August. You will have to show me some proof that time spent in the US as a student doesn't count towards citizenship, because they are both saying that you full of shit.

Check out page 7... this defines when you become a resident. Simply living in the US or having a F-1 student visa or a TN or even an H1-B does not give you residence:

http://uscis.gov/graphics/services/natz/English.pdf

page 18 shows the requirements for naturalization. One of them is having permanent residence (as define on page 7) for 5 years. This means you need to get a Green Card first. (see page 22)

Again, form M-480 confirms this

And this link: http://uscis.gov/graphics/services/tempbenefits/StudVisas.htm

Note for a F-1 student - "The student must maintain a residence abroad which he/she has no intention of giving up" This is because it is a non-immigrant visa.

Here is a list of the non-immigrant visas (including F-1)

http://uscis.gov/graphics/services/visas.htm

Here is a description of non-immigrant visas:
http://uscis.gov/graphics/services/tempbenefits/index.htm

This is a quote from it:

General requirements for foreign nationals seeking temporary admission include, but are not limited to, the following:

The purpose of the visit must be temporary;
The foreign national must agree to depart at the end of his/her authorized stay or extension;
The foreign national must be in possession of a valid passport;
A foreign residence must be maintained by the foreign national, in most instances;
The foreign national may be required to show proof of financial support;
The foreign national must be admissable or have obtained a waiver for any ground of inadmissability;
The foreign national must abide by the terms and conditions of admission.


I know about this because I have been through it (still going through it). I was a student in the US. Then I had to get a TN visa to work here. Both visas are temporary visas and you have to show temporary intent to get them. Because of this, you are not eligible to apply for permanent residence on a these visas. I had to get my company to sponsor me for an H1-B visa in order to apply for a permanent residence. An H1-B doesn't have these same restrictions and you can apply for permanent residence on an H1-B. Once you get the permanent residence card, you can wait 5 years and then get citizenship but you cannot apply for citizenship simply on a TN, H1-B or F-1

There now show me some proof that time spent in the US as a student on just a F-1 counts towards your 5 years because I am thinking it is you that is full of shit.

 

[KelJu]

Check out page 7... this defines when you become a resident. Simply living in the US or having a F-1 student visa or a TN or even an H1-B does not give you residence:

http://uscis.gov/graphics/services/natz/English.pdf

page 18 shows the requirements for naturalization. One of them is having permanent residence (as define on page 7) for 5 years. This means you need to get a Green Card first. (see page 22)

Again, form M-480 confirms this

And this link: http://uscis.gov/graphics/services/tempbenefits/StudVisas.htm

Note for a F-1 student - "The student must maintain a residence abroad which he/she has no intention of giving up" This is because it is a non-immigrant visa.

Here is a list of the non-immigrant visas (including F-1)

http://uscis.gov/graphics/services/visas.htm

Here is a description of non-immigrant visas:
http://uscis.gov/graphics/services/tempbenefits/index.htm

This is a quote from it:

General requirements for foreign nationals seeking temporary admission include, but are not limited to, the following:

The purpose of the visit must be temporary;
The foreign national must agree to depart at the end of his/her authorized stay or extension;
The foreign national must be in possession of a valid passport;
A foreign residence must be maintained by the foreign national, in most instances;
The foreign national may be required to show proof of financial support;
The foreign national must be admissable or have obtained a waiver for any ground of inadmissability;
The foreign national must abide by the terms and conditions of admission.


I know about this because I have been through it (still going through it). I was a student in the US. Then I had to get a TN visa to work here. Both visas are temporary visas and you have to show temporary intent to get them. Because of this, you are not eligible to apply for permanent residence on a these visas. I had to get my company to sponsor me for an H1-B visa in order to apply for a permanent residence. An H1-B doesn't have these same restrictions and you can apply for permanent residence on an H1-B. Once you get the permanent residence card, you can wait 5 years and then get citizenship but you cannot apply for citizenship simply on a TN, H1-B or F-1

There now show me some proof that time spent in the US as a student on just a F-1 counts towards your 5 years because I am thinking it is you that is full of shit.

I just went and read the exact sections you asked me too. I am not going to go knocking on Mo's door to ask him right now, but I did send two e-mails to firstgov.gov requesting a clarification of this issue. Personally, I think you are misinterpreting the information, but I am not going to argue with you about it until I get a reply from the government. I should hear back from them within the week's end.

 

[NeilPearson]

I just went and read the exact sections you asked me too. I am not going to go knocking on Mo's door to ask him right now, but I did send two e-mails to firstgov.gov requesting a clarification of this issue. Personally, I think you are misinterpreting the information, but I am not going to argue with you about it until I get a reply from the government. I should hear back from them within the week's end.

It wouldn't be me misinterpretting it... it would be my immigration lawyers.

Depending on the country he is from, there could be different rules too. US immigration laws are the second most complicated laws in the world because of all the exceptions (only to US tax laws) (I think)

 

[aceshigh]

im a black african with with mexican parents u got a problem with me too clemson well?? well have you punk!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Tough Old Man]

I have a cure for all this shit. They say we don't have room to house them all if we pick them all up. So lets pick them up one at a time and give them a choice.

1) Go back to where the fuck they came from

or

2) Then lets just dress them in army uniforms and send there asses to Irac and bring home the other troops.

 

[Dale Mabry]

im a black african with with mexican parents u got a problem with me too clemson well?? well have you punk!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Aren't you in Australia? If so, I am guessing he has no problem with you.

 

[Witmaster]

And Speaking of Australia...

My Wife is an Aussie. We went through all the legal routes to get her legal status. In total we dropped about 6 grand in legal fees and administrative costs.

If these Illegal Immagrants get a "free pass" then I want a fucking refund!!!

 

[BigDyl]

And Speaking of Australia...

My Wife is an Aussie. We went through all the legal routes to get her legal status. In total we dropped about 6 grand in legal fees and administrative costs.

If these Illegal Immagrants get a "free pass" then I want a fucking refund!!!

Your wife can run faster mad than you can scared!

 

[topolo]

I have a cure for all this shit. They say we don't have room to house them all if we pick them all up. So lets pick them up one at a time and give them a choice.

1) Go back to where the fuck they came from

or

2) Then lets just dress them in army uniforms and send there asses to Irac and bring home the other troops.

Where is Irac? I would like to visit.

 

[Witmaster]

Your wife can run faster mad than you can scared!

True Story

 

[DOMS]

Foreman, you are a weird individual

It's like you hate being white. You act like you're a black person, a mexican person, a hispanic person, and you always get so angry whenever someone .. usually clemson, post something about politics or immigration or low class society. In fact, you hate america.

I mean, if you hate it so much .. why don't you go move. If you don't support anything then get out.

I've read quite a few of Foreman's posts, he write little that's based in any sort of logic. He strikes me as one of those people who get their opinions from someone else and have become detached from reality.

 

[aceshigh]

I've read quite a few of Foreman's posts, he write little that's based in any sort of logic. He strikes me as one of those people who get their opinions from someone else and have become detached from reality.

when u think your fulla class it comes shooting out your arse
diarhea diarhea

 

[DOMS]

when u think your fulla class it comes shooting out your arse
diarhea diarhea

I think you're broken.

 

[GFR]

I've read quite a few of Foreman's posts, he write little that's based in any sort of logic. He strikes me as one of those people who get their opinions from someone else and have become detached from reality.

I was thinking the exact thing about you....now what are the odds of that?

 

[GFR]

when u think your fulla class it comes shooting out your arse
diarhea diarhea