These People Demand Citizenship!!!

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I enjoyed the battle for the most part. Both sides eventually resorted to low blows and questionable tactics to win. Just as the saying from the late 90s goes:
"Arguing over the internet is like competing in the Special Olympics, even if you win, you are still retarded!"

With that being said, I will still probably lock up with somebody within the week over a comment posted.

I agree, the low blows on BigD made me feel bad for him.

 

[kbm8795]

Based on your years of experience, would you care to elaborate on all the discounts/benefits and freebies I'm getting?

Nah, didn't think so.

See other post for a sample. And if you ever filled out an employment application, or a state/federal government form, you know what I'm talking about.

You never turned a paycheck back or offered to retreat from a single discount or benefit, did ya? But hey. . .it's all good. The military has been taking a lot of those illegal immigrants out of desperation - they just can't find many able-bodied young Republicans to go fight the Party's war.

 

[KelJu]

note to self: attack KelJu within the next week or two for no reason at all.

You and I have already gone at it before, and I do not want to do that again.
I can pick apart an argument with the best of them, so going into it with someone like Clemson isn't hard, but you are impossible to argue with. I could construct a perfect flawless argument, just to have you pull something out of your ass that I said 8 months ago to contradict what I am saying now.

 

[BigDyl]

I agree, the low blows on BigD made me feel bad for him.

 

[BigDyl]

You and I have already gone at it before, and I do not want to do that again.
I can pick apart an argument with the best of them, so going into it with someone like Clemson isn't hard, but you are impossible to argue with. I could construct a perfect flawless argument, just to have you pull something out of your ass that I said 8 months ago to contradict what I am saying now.

Don't we have a database application to be coding?

 

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[KelJu]

Uh...discounted services, lifelong benefits, free tuition. . .sounds like a handout to me. A handout for only select citizens, too.

People who enlist in the military don't compete for the job on the level of a civil service position. They get promoted just like every other bureaucratic outfit - based more on who you know and who likes you than what you are capable of doing in the position. That ain't self-made.

You do not know shit about the military. The above all sounds like shit you heard other people say, or shit you saw on TV. I was so close to going into the Marines right out of high school. I did a ton of research before signing my name on the dotted line. I talked to a recruiter, went to the MAPS center where I took a physical, was tested on the ASVAB, and talked to a CO about what I would be doing in the military. My ASVAB score was very high, but it did not mean I could pick my job. I talked to three of my friends who were both serving in the US Army, and they both told me that the GI bill doesn't pay for all of your tuition. You get a certain amount, and it usually isn't enough to pay for all of your expenses while you are in college. My next door neighbor in the dooms was in the Air force, and he has to work a job while also serving in the Reserves while in college, because the GI bill barely paid half of his expenses. Retirement benefits are only given to members who made the military a career. You must serve for up to 10 years just to get any type of retirement. Hell, almost any decent civilian job has a 401K plan.
To get these benefits, you must go through boot camp, which really fucking sucks, then you have to dedicate your life to the military for the next 4 years (6 during wartime). You may be living in a tent for 6 years, preying to not stop on a landmine, getting shot at every week. You put your life on the line, just to watch the news and hear how nobody supports the war that you get to see your friends dying in everyday. The amount of discipline is insane, and you watch people go off to war to come on different than the people they were when they left. You see horrible things, and you usually end up doing horrible things in the name of duty.

You get promoted with time in, plus positive scores on your evaluations. You automatically start out with a promotion if you have a college degree when you enlist. If you make high on the ASVAB you will get better jobs that promote faster, because you are more valuable to the Military, so they want to hold on to you. There is very little buddy buddy ass kissing promotions going on. YOU MUST DO YOU JOB AT AN ACCPTIBLE LEVEL or you will be sent to the kitchen. If you think that the military accepts incompetent solders to do important jobs where lives are at, then you are a fucking retard.

Now tell me again, how are the benefits received from the US military are considered a handout? By the way, the benefits are given to anyone who is willing to sign up for the military and risk their life. The military is so far from a handout program that there isn't a comparison.
In the end I didn't do it, because I didn't trust the government to keep my best interest in mind. Best decision I ever made, because exactly 8 months later 9/11 happened.

 

[KelJu]

Don't we have a database application to be coding?

Its soooooo fucking boring. I wonder if Jodi would do it for me, and I could pay her with pay pal.

All I have to do is right a server GUI in VB.Net, and add enough functionality to the .Net application to access records stored in SQL Server.
The only thing I have left to do is right the Stored Procedures in SQL, but I just can???t get motivated to do it.

 

[Big Smoothy]

Illegals:

Please go back home.

You don't respect America.

 

[kbm8795]

You do not know shit about the military. The above all sounds like shit you heard other people say, or shit you saw on TV. I was so close to going into the Marines right out of high school.

Listen son. . .I was on military bases before your parents were old enough to even think about begging at the condom counter at your local drug store. And after over 20 years working as a journalist, don't try to lob a line of crap that there aren't medical services, dental services, PX discounts, tuition benefits and job preferential treatment in school and employment opportunities for those who serve in the armed forces. Many states have non-discrimination laws which specifically mention veteran status, and National Guard members, if called to duty, are generally allowed to step right back into their job when they come home.

My father is a veteran of World War II - they didn't get many special bennies back then - there wasn't even a GI Bill until long after the war and the health policies in the military were largely instituted during that conflict because draftees were in poor nutrition - due to a Depression where my mother, among millions of other Americans, dug dandelions in the damned back yard to help get something in her stomach.

I did a ton of research before signing my name on the dotted line. I talked to a recruiter, went to the MAPS center where I took a physical, was tested on the ASVAB, and talked to a CO about what I would be doing in the military. My ASVAB score was very high, but it did not mean I could pick my job. I talked to three of my friends who were both serving in the US Army, and they both told me that the GI bill doesn't pay for all of your tuition. You get a certain amount, and it usually isn't enough to pay for all of your expenses while you are in college.

It ain't a student loan, bro. It's a grant and it pays tuition, fees and a stipend. And you are allowed to get a job without losing any of the funding.


My next door neighbor in the dooms was in the Air force, and he has to work a job while also serving in the Reserves while in college, because the GI bill barely paid half of his expenses.

And that isn't a handout? I worked full time and commuted 120 miles roundtrip to get my bachelor's degree and worked two free internships on top of the job.

Retirement benefits are only given to members who made the military a career. You must serve for up to 10 years just to get any type of retirement. Hell, almost any decent civilian job has a 401K plan.

Up to 10 years? What a hardship. Some companies require much more tenure. . .some only let you be vested in the retirement program AFTER 10 years. Other people lose their whole retirement due to corporate mismanagement or the company loss.


To get these benefits, you must go through boot camp, which really fucking sucks, then you have to dedicate your life to the military for the next 4 years (6 during wartime).

So what? And you get free/cheap room and board. Do you have to pay for meals in the mess hall on assignment to the field?

You may be living in a tent for 6 years, preying to not stop on a landmine, getting shot at every week. You put your life on the line, just to watch the news and hear how nobody supports the war that you get to see your friends dying in everyday.

You put your life on the line every day when you get into the car and drive to work. And that whiny-ass crap about how you "watch the news and nobody supports the war". . .well, you think the rest of the country wants to sit here and watch your ass get blown off for a Presidential lie or a yellow elephant chickenhawk's S/M blood-and-guts fantasy?

The amount of discipline is insane, and you watch people go off to war to come on different than the people they were when they left. You see horrible things, and you usually end up doing horrible things in the name of duty.

Yeah. . .that's why we should be a little more careful about coming up with wars to fight so a wingnut can have a wet dream.

You get promoted with time in, plus positive scores on your evaluations. You automatically start out with a promotion if you have a college degree when you enlist. If you make high on the ASVAB you will get better jobs that promote faster, because you are more valuable to the Military, so they want to hold on to you. There is very little buddy buddy ass kissing promotions going on. YOU MUST DO YOU JOB AT AN ACCPTIBLE LEVEL or you will be sent to the kitchen. If you think that the military accepts incompetent solders to do important jobs where lives are at, then you are a fucking retard.

It's a government bureaucracy with a $457 BILLION budget, and they struggled to get fucking body armor for troops and vehicles. There is the same kind of nepotism, favoritism and cronyism that exists in any other bureaucratic service. . .meaning people get positions for reasons other than test scores. You career can be busted at the will of any C.O. who decides to take a disliking to you, and you can't do a whole lot about it. And if they really don't like you, they just say your butt is gay and kick you out - after you serve in battle, of course.

Now tell me again, how are the benefits received from the US military are considered a handout? By the way, the benefits are given to anyone who is willing to sign up for the military and risk their life.

Not just "anyone" can sign up for the military and risk their life. That's the whole point. It's a special privilege with special rewards.

The military is so far from a handout program that there isn't a comparison.
In the end I didn't do it, because I didn't trust the government to keep my best interest in mind. Best decision I ever made, because exactly 8 months later 9/11 happened.

Yeah. . .and you missed all those big cash payout bonuses they've been offering for personnel to enlist, re-enlist or extend their duty.

 

[kbm8795]

Illegals:

Please go back home.

You don't respect America.

Ya know, I've been thinking a lot about that. Seems to me that. . .oh, say 140 years ago or so, we had a region of the United States that decided to secede, and the people living there (well, most of the white ones) didn't want to be American citizens any longer. They created their own flag, and that battle flag that they fought for 130 years to keep flying over their state capitols, claiming it was their heritage even though it was used to attack legal American citizens during that war.

After the war was over, the white plantation owners didn't like having some of their land parceled off to the freed citizens (meaning the black ones) so they didn't reapply for American citizenship - uh uh - they wanted amnesty so that they could have their property rights back and stop the carpetbaggers and the negroids from runnin' their government and getting all the good land.

Yet they still wave that old battle flag in our faces claiming it's their "heritage". .. you know, just like the Irish do all over the country on St. Pat's Day, and the Italians do in New York.

 

[maniclion]

Its soooooo fucking boring. I wonder if Jodi would do it for me, and I could pay her with pay pal.

All I have to do is right a server GUI in VB.Net, and add enough functionality to the .Net application to access records stored in SQL Server.
The only thing I have left to do is right the Stored Procedures in SQL, but I just can???t get motivated to do it.

I'll write it in assembly and then break it down to binary for you but backwards then you can work your way from their...

 

[BigDyl]

I'll write it in assembly and then break it down to binary for you but backwards then you can work your way from their...

True Story, I'll write you some nice shell code complete with a NOP sled.

 

[min0 lee]

keep on posting KMB, this the stuff people ignore or tend to forget by convenience.

 

[largepkg]

Illegals:

Please go back home.

You don't respect America.

I agree with you. Scary stuff...

 

[Big Smoothy]

^ My position on ILLegals is all about NUMBERS.

I think they do hard work. Yes, they do work nobody will do. And they work for a pittance - sometimes.

But: there are so many illegals here that the system is being burdened.

Education: by law taxpayers have to pay for ILLegag children.

Medical Care - Pregnancy: pregant women come to California and the hospitals have to admit them them, for the birth.

Who pays? The taxpayers, and the child is automatically a U.S. citizen.

These are called "Anchor Babies."

 

[largepkg]

Stop it! I'm not supposed to agree with you. You're the enemy.

 

[KelJu]

Ya know, I've been thinking a lot about that. Seems to me that. . .oh, say 140 years ago or so, we had a region of the United States that decided to secede, and the people living there (well, most of the white ones) didn't want to be American citizens any longer. They created their own flag, and that battle flag that they fought for 130 years to keep flying over their state capitols, claiming it was their heritage even though it was used to attack legal American citizens during that war.

After the war was over, the white plantation owners didn't like having some of their land parceled off to the freed citizens (meaning the black ones) so they didn't reapply for American citizenship - uh uh - they wanted amnesty so that they could have their property rights back and stop the carpetbaggers and the negroids from runnin' their government and getting all the good land.

Yet they still wave that old battle flag in our faces claiming it's their "heritage". .. you know, just like the Irish do all over the country on St. Pat's Day, and the Italians do in New York.

Good point, I can;t argue with that dude.

 

[ALBOB]

You do not know shit about the military. The above all sounds like shit you heard other people say, or shit you saw on TV. I was so close to going into the Marines right out of high school. I did a ton of research before signing my name on the dotted line. I talked to a recruiter, went to the MAPS center where I took a physical, was tested on the ASVAB, and talked to a CO about what I would be doing in the military. My ASVAB score was very high, but it did not mean I could pick my job. I talked to three of my friends who were both serving in the US Army, and they both told me that the GI bill doesn't pay for all of your tuition. You get a certain amount, and it usually isn't enough to pay for all of your expenses while you are in college. My next door neighbor in the dooms was in the Air force, and he has to work a job while also serving in the Reserves while in college, because the GI bill barely paid half of his expenses. Retirement benefits are only given to members who made the military a career. You must serve for up to 10 years just to get any type of retirement. Hell, almost any decent civilian job has a 401K plan.
To get these benefits, you must go through boot camp, which really fucking sucks, then you have to dedicate your life to the military for the next 4 years (6 during wartime). You may be living in a tent for 6 years, preying to not stop on a landmine, getting shot at every week. You put your life on the line, just to watch the news and hear how nobody supports the war that you get to see your friends dying in everyday. The amount of discipline is insane, and you watch people go off to war to come on different than the people they were when they left. You see horrible things, and you usually end up doing horrible things in the name of duty.

You get promoted with time in, plus positive scores on your evaluations. You automatically start out with a promotion if you have a college degree when you enlist. If you make high on the ASVAB you will get better jobs that promote faster, because you are more valuable to the Military, so they want to hold on to you. There is very little buddy buddy ass kissing promotions going on. YOU MUST DO YOU JOB AT AN ACCPTIBLE LEVEL or you will be sent to the kitchen. If you think that the military accepts incompetent solders to do important jobs where lives are at, then you are a fucking retard.

Now tell me again, how are the benefits received from the US military are considered a handout? By the way, the benefits are given to anyone who is willing to sign up for the military and risk their life. The military is so far from a handout program that there isn't a comparison.
In the end I didn't do it, because I didn't trust the government to keep my best interest in mind. Best decision I ever made, because exactly 8 months later 9/11 happened.

Dude, you're taking this WAY too seriously. This isn't about facts. We all dispensed with facts looooooong ago. This is nothing more than a flame war. You get to say anything you want and there's not a damn thing they can do about it. We go back and forth for a few days until both sides get bored, then we move on. Don't get bent out of shape over nothing.

P.S. to maniclion: Speaking of "them". A few pages ago I made a remark about "them" that you took offense to. I'm not sure why you felt included in "them". Your opinions are based on having been there, done that and gotten the t-shirt. While I don't always agree with your opinions, I certainly respect them because I know how you came by them.

 

[largepkg]

Dude, you're taking this WAY too seriously. This isn't about facts. We all dispensed with facts looooooong ago. This is nothing more than a flame war. You get to say anything you want and there's not a damn thing they can do about it. We go back and forth for a few days until both sides get bored, then we move on. Don't get bent out of shape over nothing.

P.S. to maniclion: Speaking of "them". A few pages ago I made a remark about "them" that you took offense to. I'm not sure why you felt included in "them". Your opinions are based on having been there, done that and gotten the t-shirt. While I don't always agree with your opinions, I certainly respect them because I know how you came by them.

Who said you were allowed out of the nursing home? Enough of your senile dribble. Go to your room and put your depends back on. You're leaking all over the place!

 

[KelJu]

Dude, you're taking this WAY too seriously. This isn't about facts. We all dispensed with facts looooooong ago. This is nothing more than a flame war. You get to say anything you want and there's not a damn thing they can do about it. We go back and forth for a few days until both sides get bored, then we move on. Don't get bent out of shape over nothing.

P.S. to maniclion: Speaking of "them". A few pages ago I made a remark about "them" that you took offense to. I'm not sure why you felt included in "them". Your opinions are based on having been there, done that and gotten the t-shirt. While I don't always agree with your opinions, I certainly respect them because I know how you came by them.

I am not upset or anything. That is just how I argue a point. Maybe I should tone it down a notch, because everyone assumes that I get emotional over this stuff when I am just an agressive debater. I try my best to only use facts in anything and everything that I post, so I guess I come off as too serious. If you knew in in real life, you would see that when I am not debating an arguement, I am very laid back.

 

[ALBOB]

I am not upset or anything. That is just how I argue a point. Maybe I should tone it down a notch, because everyone assumes that I get emotional over this stuff when I am just an agressive debater. I try my best to only use facts in anything and everything that I post, so I guess I come off as too serious. If you knew in in real life, you would see that when I am not debating an arguement, I am very laid back.

That's my whole point, you're still debating. Debate in this thread is dead. As a matter of fact, the thread is pretty much dead. Now we move on and find another topic to trash each other over.

Next time just relax and have fun. You said it yourself, "arguing over the internet is like competing in the Special Olympics................"

 

[KelJu]

That's my whole point, you're still debating. Debate in this thread is dead. As a matter of fact, the thread is pretty much dead. Now we move on and find another topic to trash each other over.

Next time just relax and have fun. You said it yourself, "arguing over the internet is like competing in the Special Olympics................"

I also said that I would be arguing with someone in the next day or say, so I am my own worse enemy. I do think, that maybe I have been going for the throat a little too much lately. From now on, I will try to take a friendlier approach to the debates.