Thinking about adding a little tren

[texdb]

Hey all. Stats:
In my 40's
5 11
190
bf=? I don't have p90x abs, but they are clearly visible so I'm guessing around 6% (that could be very wrong)

Anyway, I've run two test E only cycles at 500/wk. Had great results first round. Second round, not so much due to poor planning and execution. I've wanted to give Tren A a go for a while but am VERY leary of its sides. I am going for it again and any input would be appreciated. My Plan

1-12 Test E - 500/w e3d
2-14 Aridex .25 eod
9-12 Tren A 50 eod
14-16 Clom yadda yadda yadda

I was thinking about adding the Tren there just to see how I tolerated it and maybe give me a little cutting boost towards the end.
Questions:
1. Is the Tren dose so low it will be waste of it? Because I want to use the lowest dose possible
2. Do you think I still need Caber at that dose?
3. Does any of this sound stupid? haha

 

[OTG85]

Thats a manly dose there.Pump that shit to 75mg eod at least.

 

[texdb]

Sorry don't quite understand
Is the 50 a "manly" dose or do I need to do 75 minimum?
I'm kind dense sometimes.

 

[OTG85]

I would not waste my time with 50 man go with 75

 

[raysd21]

Why would you do Tren and not something like Npp? I'm telling you...Tren is not something to be taken lightly.

Do you get angry easily? Are you in a good place in your life? Do you have a girlfriend? Do you value that relationship if you do? Does your job cause you a lot of stress? Do you want to keep that job? These are just some questions you need to ask yourself b4 you do tren bro.

I ran Tren for about 8 weeks at 90mg every day. It was horrible. I will never do it again. Also hits your hairline extremely hard. Stick with Npp and a cutter like winstrol or anavar or good ole ECA. Perfect eating and anything but tren will produce similar results without the mental shit you feel.

 

[zionoir626]

Have to agree........TREN is not a happy drug...not a keep your girl friend,job,temper,shit together drug..................It's a fucking wrecking ball !!!

 

[raysd21]

If you are in your 40's investigate peptides for GH increase. They will give you similar results without the head games. Ghrp2, Hexarelin, cjc1295 is a good stack. Some others that are good....mk-677. Ask Rambo99 for some info. Test/EQ/Peps is a nice cycle. Or Test/Npp/Peps. Great lean gains with great vascularity. You won't have that intramuscular water push from the tren. You know... that molded in clay from the greek gods look. But your gains on peps will be fucking real bro. You will be lean and strong as a motherfucker. Tren is not your next step, trust me.

 

[UberJedi]

Only Nihilists do tren.

 

[Bigjim5]

I'm sorry to hear you have such bad emotional experiences while using Tren but not with everyone experiences the Same issues.
I do agree that it should not be taken lightly. Although I do experience some shortness of the fuse and what not, but it is manageable if you have your shit together. The worst part for me is the fear of a bad shot that leads to terrible "Tren lungs". I don't call it "Tren cough" cuz I don't cough but the symptoms can be quite excruciating and I hate it. The nightmares can suck too. I usually sleep Ok but it's dose dependant.
Tren is such a powerful compound that maybe you could try a much lower dose with good results. 25mg-50mg ed of good Tren will deliver amazing results with minimal sides. I think too many guys read about the doses some guys run and think they could do the same or better, and then suffer. I don't know how guys run more then 600mg of any ester of tren. Unless it's purity is lower. Personally I like the short ester Tren Ace and even ester free Tren for 4 - 6 Weeks max for me. Have you ever ran it with Masteron? I find it helps tremendously with the sides and not to mention the results...especially If your looking to get lean. The fat just melts off me. However, I do absolutely love NPP and it's a great alternative with everything else in line.
My 2 cents.

 

[SoCalSwole]

At the risk of sounding like an A hole, I have to ask. If you know so much about tren and the correct doses to run why did you post in the first place? Are you looking for pats on the back? or what?

 

[Bigjim5]

Wow, I was just giving my opinion based on my experience. Why is it some people just want to rip on others comments? You don't even know me.

 

[dagambd]

I don't want to speak for socal but I think he made a mistake thinking BigJim was the OP. Otherwise it makes no sense.

 

[Bigjim5]

Ah, that would make sense then. I thought I was crazy. I kept reading my post to see where I came off sounding a knowitall.

 

[dagambd]

Again, im not speaking for the man but that would make sense to me.

 

[SoCalSwole]

Ah, that would make sense then. I thought I was crazy. I kept reading my post to see where I came off sounding a knowitall.

Yep Sorry guys Im an idoit. lol I guess I was half asleep when I posted that. Thought it was the OP answering his own question. Sorry Big Jim.

 

[Bigjim5]

Lol... No problem. It seemed bit out of character for you. At least what I know of you based on your posts.

 

[texdb]

Dammit!!! I think y'all scared me out of the tren idea. It would be nice to finish the cycle with my sanity intact. Thanks a lot for everyone's input.

I mean everyone but that know it all jackass Bigjim. Hahahaha

 

[texdb]

Oh by the way. I looked into peps a while back, and most protocols I saw were like 3 shots a day if I remember right. I'm not afraid of needles, but that just sounds like a huge pain in the ass. If anyone has a good protocol for them with test don't be afraid to pm me with it. I'd definitely be curious. Thanks

 

[heckler7]

you should start earlier with the tren in case you enjoy it you can extend your run. 50 is a good dose and if you can handle the sides bump it up to 75. it isnt that scary its not like your trying insulin for the first time

 

[SoCalSwole]

you should start earlier with the tren in case you enjoy it you can extend your run. 50 is a good dose and if you can handle the sides bump it up to 75. it isn't that scary its not like your trying insulin for the first time

First of all Sorry I jumped on you earlier. Guess I was grouchy the other day IDK. Second its not like its that scary, or bad. I honestly depends on the person. Tren seems like guys really love it or hate it. Some tolerate it better than others. I tolerate it quite well. Having said that I am cautious about how often I run it. Yea you get crazy gains but somehow I just don't feel all that healthy. BP goes up. Cardio goes to shit. I'm moody (more than usual.lol) Plus it seems like tren is a slutty hoe you just can't shake. Meaning it's hard to stop, you know you should stop but shes just that good. Plus towards the end I believe you kind of build a resistance to it. It starts working less but the sides get stronger because you keep upping the dose looking for the initial blast of awesomeness it gave you.

Honestly I believe now I will rely on the old faithfuls test, EQ, NPP, deca, Dbol, Mast, Adrol. I will save the tren for my contest prep in the spring only running it 10 weeks max. Plus this year I found a very reliable source with extremely high quality. So no need to guess on the dose or the purity.

Get some more experience with other compounds first try NPP or Deca it has similar androgenic effects as tren. No where near as strong, but if your get prolactin issues, bad acne, or any other hormonal bad sides from Npp and deca then chances are Tren will be intolerable for you. If you try it try the Acetate not Ethenate. If it ends up being bad the A will get out of your system in a few days E will take weeks.

Not trying to contradict Ray. He speaks the truth and the peps will really help you as well. I just want to let you hear the other side of the story as well.