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Tren + Mecha + Andro 13 weeks Killa-Cycle

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Well...


I'll be logging this cycle also on ''Primordial Performance'' and ''Pro Hormone Forum''.


First of all, I want to thank Matt Porter from Primordial Performance for hooking me up with a really awesome deal on the Androseries products. I also want to thank Jake from Antaeuslabs as well for his generous deal.


Also gotta give ''heretostudy'' credit for helping me set up this cycle.


This is not my first ''heavy cycle'', but for personal reasons it WILL be my LAST! After this one I will stay in the area of short mild pro-hormones.


I'll be starting this cycle in 3 and a half weeks, on Monday, November 19th.


This is the masterpiece:
Week 1-13 AndroMass @ 6 caps
Week 1+2 AndroHard @ 3 caps - Week 3-13 AndroHard @ 6 caps
Week 1-12 Trenavar @ 25 caps [250 mg] (Split Dose)
Week 1-6 Mechabol @ 5 caps [125 mg] (Split Dose)
Week 1-12 hCG @ 250 iu every 3 days (start day 4)
Week 1-12 Liverjuice @ 10ML (Split Dose)
Week 1-12 AEGIS @ 4 caps (Split Dose)
Week 2-13 AndroEnhance @ 3 puffs
Last 17 days of cycle: Proviron @ 1 cap
Week 1-13 Axon @ 1 to 2 caps a day
Week 1-13 Assault from MP for pre-workouts
Week 1-12 Fishoil


PCT: Weeks 14-18
Clomid 100/100/50/50/25
TRSv2 (except sustain alpha is LV)
week 3-6 - Lean Xtreme @ 3 tabs (split doses in 3)
ZMA
Lipotrophin-PM


Throughout the whole 18 weeks I will be using:
Bulletproof (5 days on, 2 days off)
ConCret HCI Creatine
EFA from Labrada @ 6 caps a day [split in 3 doses a day]
CLA @ 6 caps a day [split in 3 doses a day]


I will have Arimidex on hand (30 tabs) in case of gyno (high dosed Trenavar) and also some nolva leftovers, (if needed I will buy some more).


I already have everything in my possession except the 2x AndroEnhance's which ''should arrive in November'' (hopefully I'll have it in time for the cycle)!


I also have, perhaps for ''after PCT'' or whenever useful,
Anatropin from Gaspari Nutrition
Erase Pro from PES
Essential Amino Energy from ON (Which I'm thinking if it would be a good add for the PCT!!! and Also what dose, please advise!)


I will have a Before Pic and Process pics during the run. And I will do my very best (since I have a very busy schedule) to update my log every 2-3 days!


I will also give an estimation of how my diet shall be.


GOAL: Recomp, with priority on fat loss!


MY OBJECTIVE: To be as honest and straightforward as I could be. My diet will be aimed to get lean and stay lean in the long run after the cycle. So my expectations (not so greedy) are more toward looking lean with nice clear definition AFTER pct!


Please feel free to give any advise what so ever, since I am always trying to learn new ways of doing things. So I'll be open for pointers and ideas along the run.


I will post an estimation of my daily diet routine if not tomorrow, then before the end of this weekend for sure, since I have to run now. So stay tuned! :winkfinger:
 
My Diet was recently changed (beginning of October). I have lowered my overall calorie intake big time, especially from protein which was way to high for my bodyweight (176 now). I was taking in at least 300+ grams of protein per day, which I have lowered to between 200-250 if my estimation is correct. I have also lowered my fat intake which was also high (from veggies). Due to this I have dropped from 184 to 176 pounds in 4 weeks, and I'm looking way leaner than before.

My diet is undergoing gradual changes still but by November 19th it will be something like:

Meal 1 - 8 egg whites + 1 whole egg (with onions, peppers, mushrooms and 2 slices of lean roastbeef) + 1/2 cup or 1 cup of oatmeal
Meal 2 - Karbolyn (only on workout days! and 1/2 serving only TWICE a weak) mixed with about 30 grams of Whey Protein (on training days this is POST workout)
Meal 3 - 175 grams chicken or fish + 50-70 grams of variety of veggies + 1/4 or 1/2 cups of carbs (brown rice, sweet potato, beans or pasta)
Meal 4 - Same as Meal 3
Meal 5 - Same as Meal 3
Meal 6 - Casein protein shake - about 30 grams of protein Right before sleep.

So far this basic routine seemed to be working good with my body.

My training routine (which is different now) shall also be changed.
I will take a week off of training 2 weeks Pre-Cycle so my body can be set for WAR!! and when I start training again (1 week pre-cycle until after PCT) my routine shall be:

Mon - Delts + Triceps
Tue - Legs + Abs
Wed - Off
Thu - Chest + Back
Fri - Abs + Biceps
Sat - Off
Sun - Off

and as for morning sprints, first thing on empty stomach:

Mon - 15 minutes sprint (with stopwatch, 30 secs sprint, 30 secs jog, repeat)
Tue - off
Wed - off
Thu - 15 minutes sprint (with stopwatch, 30 secs sprint, 30 secs jog, repeat)
Fri - 15 minutes sprint (with stopwatch, 30 secs sprint, 30 secs jog, repeat)
Sat - off
Sun - 15 minutes sprint (with stopwatch, 30 secs sprint, 30 secs jog, repeat)

Any questions, or advises let me know!
 
Why not run some test for the duration of your cycle?


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Negged for no tren
 
Lmao, you call this a masterpiece cycle? Multiple orals and not a single injectable.
 
colochine said:
Is this real life? No tren, no test, all prohormones. Pussy stack. Inject something an be a god damn man.

Did it say only one Proviron capsule? And arimidex for trenavar? If its a prolactin derivative your fucked.

How much did all this shit cost?
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That is one waste of money. With all you spent on that you could have actually ran something real.
 
Wow, thanks for the support guys. Good thing I decided to post this here.

I have ran AAS cycle's in the past, and this time wanted to try it ala PH. But had NO IDEA it would have fostered so much hatred.

As I stated, this would be my last cycle, for personal reasons.... I could've also chosen to not even run anymore cycles at all, which by means of your nice comments are giving me a second thought here. I'm running this since I already had most of the gear on hand, just trying to simplify things in my lifestyle here.

I could also choose to follow your advises, and not run any cycles at all, and just sell everything... at this point it doesn't really matter about how I'll look at the end anymore.

my reasons for doing this:
1. Matt hooked me up with a good deal if I'd run a log in the future... which I am keeping my word.
2. Finishing up my stash in a smooth way.

So, again, I'm just trying to understand what's so wrong about taking this path. If you could please provide me with a reasonable answer, you might convince me to do what is ''wise'' according to your ''superior knowledge''. But If you can't reason out the reason why this is so wrong, then I really cannot see it any other way except ''hatred and ill-will against me for no single reason''.

You still got 2 weeks to change my mind, IF there's a reason for doing so... If there's something that I am indeed not seeing.

Thanks! :coffee:
 
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VayneZ said:
Thanks dude. I'll just sell them... thanks for looking out
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Dude, thank the PP crew for helping you setting this up.

I know they're product pushers, but if they recommended a fkd up cycle like that they should probably be told to fuck off from IM.

My advice is to log one of their products, along with some test n tren. That would make a killer last cycle.

Good luck :)


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theCaptn' said:
Dude, thank the PP crew for helping you setting this up.

I know they're product pushers, but if they recommended a fkd up cycle like that they should probably be told to fuck off from IM.

My advice is to log one of their products, along with some test n tren. That would make a killer last cycle.

Good luck :)


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It wasn't a product push, he had contacted me detailing which products he had and wanted to create a cycle with them. He also stated that he did not want to run AAS anymore for personal reasons, so I couldn't have suggested test or tren even if I wanted to.

As for the crazyness of the cycle, it is a bit heavy, no doubt. But it is no where near as reckless as you guys are trying to make it seem.

The core of the cycle is the AndroMass/AndroHard/Trenavar. For someone who is choosing not to use AAS any longer, this is the closest one could come to the Test/Tren/Mast stack that is quite popular. Mass is prohormone to test and dht, with actives at midstages of conversion as well. AndroHard is a prohormone to DHT. The DHT provides the androgenic punch seen with Mast in the AAS version of the stack, provides strength, libido insurance, and provides a benefit concerning estrogen. Trenavar is a dione prohormone to trenbolone, a one step conversion. Now he does have the trenavar dosed rather high, but that was also at my suggestion. I originally followed the standard recommendation of running trenavar myself, and found it to be quite worthless at low doses. Zero tren like effects, I continually ramped it up until I found I was seeing results in line with what tren should provide and that hit at around 225-250. Having had conversations through PM with other experienced guys, they shared the same thoughts: Run it high, or don't run it at all. It just seems to not convert that well. Now, I will say that the cost of running trenavar that high makes it pointless, but this member already had all of the tren in his possession anyway.

So that explains the thought process behind the Mass/Hard/Tvar.

In my experience, the androseries and trenavar both took some time to "kick in." A member on another board stated that this is probably because of our usage of an ester, but that is not true. The ester is simply for allowing targeted uptake of the hormone by the body and does not extend the half life in any similar manner to injected esters. The mechabol is added to allow for the quick bang that most guys look for in a kick start. Now I have not run Mech that high, as when I ran it, it had just come out and proper dosing was a guessing game. We now see it commonly run in the 100-150 range, and a friend of mine who is a rep for AL now describes 150 as simply awesome. I suggested he go to the middle of this new range and run it at 125. I will be alongside him through this, so if there is a time when we need to turn it down, we will. The mechabol is the only "oral" in the sense of liver toxicity, so the failing liver comments are slightly pointless. Had he been stacking methyls, I would gladly argue the same point with you.

HCG dose is standard protocol, and given the length of this cycle I found it to be a worthwhile suggestion.

He will be using both Liver Juice and Aegis which, imo, are the two best liver support products available on the market today, the edge easily going to Aegis, which includes TUDCA, the taurine form of the pharmaceutical UDCA. He had enough to run these products through the whole cycle, which will provide support against the taxation of the liver caused by the methyl kick start and the processing of so many pills throughout the cycle.

The androenhance will provide a bit of a punch for him in terms of appliction to benefit timing. I find it to be a beneficial add for preworkout (roughly 1 hour prior). The ingredients in androenhance will support his goals of leaning out while putting on weight, which given the stack he will be running I do not think will be too difficult of a goal to reach, assuming his diet doesn't goto shit.

The proviron I can care less for, he only had 17 pills and wanted a way to use it, so I just said toss it in at the end of the cycle. Won't do much, but it will allow him to use what is left.

As for sides -

I explained my stance on the liver toxicity.
In terms of Cholesterol, it probably wouldn't be a bad idea to throw in a product like toco-8 or even the heart supplement iforce makes. Antaeus has a new one on the way, but it won't be available in time for this cycle.
In terms of BP, he has received prior warnings on monitoring BP due to the tren/hard/stims combo. He is going to be running celery seed extract and Hawthorne throughout the cycle, and I told him to be prepared to go pharmaceutical if an issue arises, or lower dosing accordingly.

As for the "inject something and be a man" comment, I find this comment to be quite annoying. There are many reasons why one may choose not to go the inject route, and many who have shared their reasoning with me have been personal (law concerns in regards to family/employer/etc, moral concerns with law, etc..). This members prior cycle was test/tren, so he has gone that route, but he has chosen to not go that route again. To label him as less than a man for this choice is retarded.

This stack will not be as good as test/tren/mast. I think even this member knows that. But it will mimic the cycle as closely as possible otc. If he was looking to go the full AAS route, I would have suggested he went with AAS for a cycle this aggressive.

colo, please explain how trenavar (or even trenbolone) is a "prolactin derivative"....? I assume what you mean her is progestin. Even if you had choosen the correct word, I would appreciate an explanation on how a progestin will provide a prolactin concern? I can provide you with a study directly showing that prolactin does not increase from tren, if you wish. I bet the next step was to suggest Caber or Prami, much in line with most the broscience on boards. However, the issue with tren resides in estrogen, not prolactin. Proactin only becomes an issue when estrogen is not properly managed.
 
Thanks for the clarification HereToStudy


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colochine said:
How much are liver transplants these days?
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Most guys here are advanced and use injectable aas and dont pussy foot around with designers or PH's....

I understand completely.

However I also am very familiar with current designers and PH's and must inform everyone that this 13 week course is not crazy or hard on liver.

Just the mechabol (methyl clostebol) is and only ran for 6 weeks --- ALL other compounds are non methyl and mild.

this is a far cry from some of the typical gym goers cycles on these boards that run gram of T, 500 tren, dbol frontload etc...and 9 times outta 10 look like poop.

Just clarifying this really isnt a reckless cycle,,,,, but could be shortened.

-Matt
 
MattPorter said:
Most guys here are advanced and use injectable aas and dont pussy foot around with designers or PH's....

I understand completely.

However I also am very familiar with current designers and PH's and must inform everyone that this 13 week course is not crazy or hard on liver.

Just the mechabol (methyl clostebol) is and only ran for 6 weeks --- ALL other compounds are non methyl and mild.

this is a far cry from some of the typical gym goers cycles on these boards that run gram of T, 500 tren, dbol frontload etc...and 9 times outta 10 look like poop.

Just clarifying this really isnt a reckless cycle,,,,, but could be shortened.

-Matt
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Shortened to 9 weeks, for later cycles ideas.

Today I started with the Hawthorne Berries, and will run it straight into the cycle, to prepare my PB levels for what's coming.
 
Good luck kid. Be good to show the old school gear heads what this stack can deliver ;)


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theCaptn' said:
Good luck kid. Be good to show the old school gear heads what this stack can deliver ;)


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Thanks for the support Captn'! I'll be as honest as I can, since I've ran AAS in the past and gained insane mass. This time however I'll be aiming more toward definition and current physique quality than toward just mad size.
 
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