Tren vs. test and receptors vs. dose

[OldSchoolLifter]

How did you feel during this cycle? Any rough side effects or pronounced fatigue? How was your appetite?

I may eat my previous words stating I would rather keep the high test, because frankly how will I know unless I try. I am hesitant however, because on a previous cycle I was using tren a, and test e, and the test turned out to be bunk while the tren was very good. And during the time I had very little to no test I just plain felt like shit. Mainly exhausted to the point that my training was nearly worthless, and once a blood test revealed my issue, and good test was put in place, I immediately felt much better. And eventually had a successful cycle.

I'm just trying to learn here. Keep it coming guys!

We can all speculate, But you wont know until you do try it. Maybe its not for you? Maybe you will prefer it? When I run test/tren the normal way, My sleep is terrible, I'm a sweaty mess, and being I am very sensitive to 19nor compounds, for some reason prolactin was difficult for me to control. I'm not sure why, but ever since I lowered my test. and ran my tren higher, I'm able to keep prolactin in check, sides are much more manageable, and I can actually enjoy the results tren brings again.

 

[hoyle21]

We can all speculate, But you wont know until you do try it. Maybe its not for you? Maybe you will prefer it? When I run test/tren the normal way, My sleep is terrible, I'm a sweaty mess, and being I am very sensitive to 19nor compounds, for some reason prolactin was difficult for me to control. I'm not sure why, but ever since I lowered my test. and ran my tren higher, I'm able to keep prolactin in check, sides are much more manageable, and I can actually enjoy the results tren brings again.

I was in the same boat. My first run with tren I took 100mgs Test, Tren, Masteron ED and sides were nuts. I woke up freezing and sweat soaked every night.

Another change I made was buying pharmacy grade Cabaser from AY instead of research.

I would recommend finding and buying HG ancillaries over research. To me it might be more important than the quality of the gear.

 

[lovinjane]

I would recommend finding and buying HG ancillaries over research. To me it might be more important than the quality of the gear.

^^^^ this.

Right now I've got Adex and prami, both research.

The prami is seriously killing me. Yesterday marked two weeks on cycle, and I'm at .6 mg prami. It keeps me up all night and makes me sick. I thought this would go away gradually. I can't even get to the dose I need. If I could get it in a reasonable amount of time, it would be time to switch to pharm caber. Although I think the prami really does a better job with prolactin. Just not worth the misery.

 

[lovinjane]

well of course steroids upregulate the AR, and cause AR proliferation IIRC.. but this actually makes steroids less effective though it increases the amount of aas that can be utilized. more receptors have to be filled to reach maximum anabolism.. so you have to increase your dose to make the SAME amount of gains as you were before... which is gay im actually gunna go on a cruise dose again here.. been blasting for way too long and I don't respond to gear as well as I used to.. so id argue that it's not the "competition for receptors" that is the problem.. it's the multiplication of our receptors that reduces the effectiveness of our gear that's the problem..

^^ this cleared things up for me. Thanks SD

 

[heavyiron]

^^^^ this.

Right now I've got Adex and prami, both research.

The prami is seriously killing me. Yesterday marked two weeks on cycle, and I'm at .6 mg prami. It keeps me up all night and makes me sick. I thought this would go away gradually. I can't even get to the dose I need. If I could get it in a reasonable amount of time, it would be time to switch to pharm caber. Although I think the prami really does a better job with prolactin. Just not worth the misery.

Your Prami dose is fine brother. I would check your Prolactin before upping the dose.

 

[lovinjane]

Your Prami dose is fine brother. I would check your Prolactin before upping the dose.

What's the normal effective dose you would use? I'm very estrogen sensitive and consequently I'm also cautious regarding prolactin.. But I'd like to use as little as humanly possible at this point.

 

[heavyiron]

Your Prolactin may be completely normal but without labs there's no way to know.

0.5 mg Prami daily is usually plenty.

 

[vassille]

well of course steroids upregulate the AR, and cause AR proliferation IIRC.. but this actually makes steroids less effective though it increases the amount of aas that can be utilized. more receptors have to be filled to reach maximum anabolism.. so you have to increase your dose to make the SAME amount of gains as you were before... which is gay im actually gunna go on a cruise dose again here.. been blasting for way too long and I don't respond to gear as well as I used to.. so id argue that it's not the "competition for receptors" that is the problem.. it's the multiplication of our receptors that reduces the effectiveness of our gear that's the problem..

I run into the same issue. Taking some time off from gear too. I dont feel like running 1gr of test to make gains as I did with 500mg a week. But you sir are correct in your assenment.

 

[lovinjane]

Your Prolactin may be completely normal but without labs there's no way to know.

0.5 mg Prami daily is usually plenty.

Thanks heavy, it's awesome to have so many knowledgable people here participating and answering questions, even when they may have been answered before.