Tribulus, ZMA, & Anti-estrogen?

[Milkyway777]

I already take Tribulus and ZMA, and am just wondering if taking an anti- estrogen on top of these would maximize effects. Any info will be appreciated.

 

[musclepump]

Are you on a cycle?

 

[redspy]

Why do you take ZMA just out of interest?

 

[Milkyway777]

no i am not on a cycle. Just trying to enhance Test production naturally.
And thought that an Anti-estrogen would maximize effects.

 

[Sh8kin]

Since the subject of ZMA is up I wanted to ask a question and figured it would be better than starting a new thread. I was just reading this thread: http://www.ironmagazineforums.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=21548 and it states to use ZMA for testosterone recovery after a good time out, and I was also interested in increasing test. naturally. So if there is something better / more effective than ZMA what is it?

 

[redspy]

Drinking tap water is probably more effective at raising test levels. There was a flawed study by the manufacturers but here's the scoop - http://www.supplementquality.com/z_askexpert/ZMA.html

 

[Milkyway777]

So does anybody have an answer to my question?

 

[LAM]

no i am not on a cycle. Just trying to enhance Test production naturally.
And thought that an Anti-estrogen would maximize effects.

any product that increases test production over baseline values will cause a negative feedback response. increasing test production also has no effect on increasing free T

 

[Milkyway777]

From what I have been reading ZMA helps increse free T.
And when you say negative effects do u mean like gyno or other post steriod sides?
Trib & ZMA or both natrual Test enhancer, so I would imagine adding lets say 60X0 wouldnt have steriod like side effects, just a natrual increase in Test.

 

[raab]

i have had good results from using 6oxo and tribulus on my off cycle from 1ad and 4ad. it has allowed me to hold on to my strength gains for the most part.

i do not like zma. it effects my sleep too drastically.

 

[redspy]

From what I have been reading ZMA helps increse free T.

Show me the study to support that, or even some bloodwork.

 

[Stu]

From what I have been reading ZMA helps increse free T.
And when you say negative effects do u mean like gyno or other post steriod sides?
Trib & ZMA or both natrual Test enhancer, so I would imagine adding lets say 60X0 wouldnt have steriod like side effects, just a natrual increase in Test.

what LAM is talking about it negative feedback not negative sides. basically testosterone is produced when testosterone levels fall below their natural level. If you increase testosterone prodcution so that testosterone rises above the natural level then the body will compensate by switching off test production until it falls to natural levels. Tribublus raises the amount of free testosterone in the body.

zma just gives you weird dreams and little else.

 

[Sh8kin]

SOOOO... Tribublus raises T, ZMA doesn't?

Fuck, I should have ordered the tribublus.

 

[Pepper]

I take tribulus to increase T and to help with sleep.
I take ZMA to help with sleep. I am convinced by the folks here that ZMA is worthless for increasing testosterone. In fact, I probably will not buy again when I run out.

 

[Sh8kin]

Great. Anyone want to buy some ZMA.. lol.


Oh, and what about Milky's question about anti-estrogen? good?

 

[Stu]

running an anti will do little unless your on a cycle

 

[juggernaut]

ZMA blows ass. Never worked for me.

 

[gococksDJS]

Oh, and what about Milky's question about anti-estrogen? good?

Your test levels won't get high enough to need an anti-estrogen unless your on a cycle.

 

[Sh8kin]

So basically if I am reading all of this correctly, there is nothing that will increase your T levels besides steroids of some type. So the sups that claim to are really not too effective. ZMA, Tribulus, Anabolic-Matrix, etc.?

 

[juggernaut]

I just started using Anabolic-Matrix and I have had some pretty impressive gains. I wasa skeptic as well, but it does seem to work for me.

 

[gococksDJS]

So basically if I am reading all of this correctly, there is nothing that will increase your T levels besides steroids of some type. So the sups that claim to are really not too effective. ZMA, Tribulus, Anabolic-Matrix, etc.?

You won't be able to achieve a drastic increase in test levels without the administration of exogenous hormones

 

[redspy]

So basically if I am reading all of this correctly, there is nothing that will increase your T levels besides steroids of some type.

You are correct, sir.