trt dosages and hairloss questions?

[dream]

By the way, for what it is worth, I was skinny when I was 20, in spite of lifting hard for half a dozen years, and yet, in a few more years, I was over 200 pounds, all natural. Part of it was having to cut back on my workload. I was trying to do all those workouts in the magazines. Cutting way back on my sets and reps helped out a lot.

I would have posted like you, about how I could not gain any weight.

You do not need TRT.

You might just need a few years and better coaching (which on diet and workout, you can get in two separate sections right here on this web site, for free!).

i do gain weight i manage my diet to gain a steady 1.5 to max 2 pound a week, i just never get muscle just fat but i do get stronger

 

[charley]

hair today........gone tomorrow ....................

 

[dream]

if i get my baseline DHT levels checked out, could i take a lower then normal dose of propecia if i go on TRT to manipulate my levels to replicate my baseline levels, i was thinking 0.5mg? If i get my DHT levels to my baseline levels should i theoretically bald at the rate i was meant to? Or due to the increased total or free test levels the higher androgenic effect will make me go balder quicker even at a similar baseline DHT level

 

[Tysdon]

i do gain weight i manage my diet to gain a steady 1.5 to max 2 pound a week, i just never get muscle just fat but i do get stronger

In other words your diet isn't actually perfect. You eat like shit and are a fat bastard and blame your "genetics". Typical. I recommend a gram of Test prop and Tren A every week.

 

[dream]

In other words your diet isn't actually perfect. You eat like shit and are a fat bastard and blame your "genetics". Typical. I recommend a gram of Test prop and Tren A every week.

tbh i only gain 2 pounds a week if i was not disciplined which does not happen very often. Secondly did you even see my diet? how on earth can you say it is shit, better then most people's. Thirdly even if my diet is shit (which it is not) i was still training with good programs, getting stronger and putting weight on, therefore i should still be able to gain muscle since i was eating enough, but that does not happen, jheez why can't people like you, use your brain before you make a comment that makes no sense

 

[frenchwr]

Well sorry to say this but fuck you you fucking cunt, you dont know how much i sacrificed. Do you know whats its like to not get laid in 3 years because you don't leave your house because you want to make sure you eat the right foods at the right time, get 7 to 8 hours sleep, to not drink, to not even fucking socialise at all you fucking dickhead, that includes my own birthday, go fuck yourself you small cocked little prick. Don't tell me I haven't busted my ass you little dick

I signed up on this forum just to LMAO @ this epic post

 

[Dcrazy]

i dont think we are on the same page here lol. im on trt so i feel some what normal, not to gain size or strength, i leave that for cycling

as far as dht goes it might lessen some of your gains but you have to weigh your options, gain 10lbs and still have your hair line or gain 15lbs and have no hair

if you are predisposed to gyno i would take some kind of ai, adex .25 eod or .5 eod

i hope you have looked into all of the long term side effects or trt befor you decide to do it. good luck

Not to bump an old thread, but I came across this thread. Unlike the OP who was 20, now probably 23 lol. However, I am on trt. I have been on TRT for 4 years. In the last 3 months I have noticed significant changes.....to my hair. I am growing hair on my body at an accelerated rate. I also noticed in the past two weeks some thinning in my hair( on my head ) in a particular area. What is weird is I was taking a brand of test for 3 years and 9 months, the pharmacy switched brands 3 months ago, and just happens to coincide with my problems. This new test also has the same inactive ingredients as my brand I used for over 3 years+ in the past.

I was on 200mg of test EOW( every other week ) for 3 years. Then I switched to 150mg a week for 9 months.....then I started this new brand at the same 150mg dose a week, but started growing hair in abnormal places. Does anyone know what is going on?

I can tell you that I just started checking my DHT( yes noone ever did ). Also, I have checked my estrogen or E2 levels, and on about 50% of my blood work they are always high. So I checked my DHT....all these levels are at troph- 8 days out of injection- I am nervous about sides, so I was reluctant to inject a day.

My CBC Panel was fine( always has been ). CBC panels check RBCs and hemoglobin. However my test levels:

My Test Total :
Scale: 300- 1080
582

Free Test
Scale:47-244
133

DHT:
Scale 106-719
602

Now on this Lab I only injected 120mg that week, and it was 8 days out of shot. I also tested @ 135mg for another test which I should get this week. What propelled me to get a test was the HAIR on BODY and Thinning on spot on HEAD. However, I noticed a test I took, an endo looked at it- as I was trying to get an Anti-Estrogen, which never happened. However, my free test at troph on her test, when taking 150 was the highest I ever seen it....548 Free test! My test total for that was 818. So I then suspected DHT...was I wrong? Then I took my own test, and mt TT( test total ) at peak was beyond 1500, only time I have ever seen that. So my questions is what is going on? Also, isn't this weird 4 years later? I mean most sides usually would happen a few weeks or months in. To top it off, this coincides with the brand change.....but same dose as last 9 months. Also, my acne was coming in abnormal places( the elbow ). Btw I am 30, was 26 when started. I also have thick hair on my head- and I want it to stay that way. My father didn't even start to thin a little till about 44-45 years old. My mother, full thick hair.Again, I am sorry to bump this thread, but this is driving me nuts ...I mean I am looking at stopping TRT all the way to Propecia...to Anti-E's...I have already cut dose. Any help would be appreciated. To note: The only thing I have done physically different was cut 20lbs in 16 weeks- intentionally for summer. I am 5ft.8 now @ 186. Was 204-207.

Thanks

 

[TonyMack]

Dude, why didn't you start a new thread?

First of all, test is test. There may be something on the dosage or your injection schedule, but all things being equal, test is test. Having less body fat should help you have a lower E2, but your diet could be allowing more conversion to DHT. Especially if you are running low fiber diet and restricting calories.

For hair loss, serum DHT and DHT in the scalp are two different things. I have been on test (TRT & Blasting) for over 5 years and at 39 I still have all my hair, and my dad and both my grandfathers are/were bald. I thought for sure I would be too.

I can attribute retaining my hair to two things: 1) zinc pyrithione shampoo - zinc blocks DHT in the skin, and 2) a diet that includes bile binding vegetables - this detoxifies the liver and allows liver to balance hormones more effectively.

Keeping my system clean and liver healthy I am able to run 180 mgs a week of test and have E2 under 35 and keep DHT low, without aromatase inhibitors or 5ar inhibitors. On blasts I use anastrozole.

You can drive yourself crazy getting all technical, but it always comes back to overall health. Take a good multivitamin (I prefer Life Extensions Mix 490), fish oil (I prefer organic whole salmon oil), Vitamin D, and get everything else you need from your diet. Eat a ton of bile binding vegetables (I prefer kale pulp from juicer). Drink a lot of water.

And the last piece of advice I have for you (and I don't mean to be a dick), but don't bump 3 year old threads. Don't be that guy.

 

[CDMSurfer]

I've only heard of hair loss happening from testosterone creams (which causes the T to aromotize into DHT). Stick to injections and you should be fine.