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UFC 61: Bitter Rivals

UFC 61 Winners

  • Ken Shamrock

    Votes: 8 22.2%

  • Tito Ortiz

    Votes: 27 75.0%

  • Andrei Arlovski

    Votes: 20 55.6%

  • Tim Sylvia

    Votes: 11 30.6%
  • Total voters
    36
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I am setting up another Duffy's trip to watch this shit. Hopefully I can get out of work and over there in time for the first fights.

A female told me that, well, either the tito fight was first or the arlowski fight was first of the night. I said "no fucking way that will be first." Theres always a decent undercard that is fully or partially aired. Thats true with this one yes?
 
Yup and he also showed his true colors when he got up, battered face and all and shook Franklin's hand with a big smile on his face and said "congratulations, you deserve it." That's one of the things I like about Shamrock, he's a real sportsman and respects everyone he fights. Tito on the other hand will win a fight and say somethin stupid over the mic and throw it in his opponent's face. I can't stand that shit. That will not progress the sport whatsoever.
 
AKIRA said:
I am setting up another Duffy's trip to watch this shit. Hopefully I can get out of work and over there in time for the first fights.

A female told me that, well, either the tito fight was first or the arlowski fight was first of the night. I said "no fucking way that will be first." Theres always a decent undercard that is fully or partially aired. Thats true with this one yes?
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I doubt either one will be first, although you never know. But the Shamrock-Ortiz II fight will be before Arlovski-Sylvia III because Arlovski-Sylvia is a title fight.
 
Goodfella9783 said:
Yup and he also showed his true colors when he got up, battered face and all and shook Franklin's hand with a big smile on his face and said "congratulations, you deserve it." That's one of the things I like about Shamrock, he's a real sportsman and respects everyone he fights. Tito on the other hand will win a fight and say somethin stupid over the mic and throw it in his opponent's face. I can't stand that shit. That will not progress the sport whatsoever.
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Of course you fail to mention the fights that Tito lost where he showed the same "good sportsmanship" that Ken did. The only fight I can remember Tito running his mouth after was the fight with Metzger that started the whole Shamrock feud. And that was in retaliation to Metzger calling Ortiz every name in the book attempting to get under his skin. I would do the same thing Tito did in that case and I'm sure most would.
 
FatCatMC said:
Of course you fail to mention the fights that Tito lost where he showed the same "good sportsmanship" that Ken did. The only fight I can remember Tito running his mouth after was the fight with Metzger that started the whole Shamrock feud. And that was in retaliation to Metzger calling Ortiz every name in the book attempting to get under his skin. I would do the same thing Tito did in that case and I'm sure most would.
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He also talked loads of shit to Liddell up to their fight and flipped him off in an interview at one of the UFC's. They had some special countdown thing on Spike last night where they showed Ortiz's fights and all the ones he won he wouldn't acknowledge his opponent, but when he lost, he'd be real quick to the handshake.
 
But it's all good, because Tito is a great fighter and I love to watch him, I just wish he would clean up his act a little. And he has proven that he has matured, so maybe all that is behind him, since a lot of that stuff happened years ago.
 
Goodfella9783 said:
He also talked loads of shit to Liddell up to their fight and flipped him off in an interview at one of the UFC's. They had some special countdown thing on Spike last night where they showed Ortiz's fights and all the ones he won he wouldn't acknowledge his opponent, but when he lost, he'd be real quick to the handshake.
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Jesus fucking christ, I missed it again? I miss fucking everything on spike!
From UFC, TRUCK!, to Hot Rod TV. But I always seem to catch that stupid fucking mXc japanese game show that I lost interest in within two episodes AND another worlds wildest police chases. Those shows piss me off and the announcer deserves to be fucked in the ass by the un-happy end of a pineapple. I love the helicopter views. 1000+ feet in the air and yet you can hear the car down below screaching tires.

:offtopic:

I find that most champions that lose arent ever sore losers, but they dont show much sportmanship when they win. I mean, I am sure its quite a rush to win a victory over a hard opponent, but anyone that makes it that far most likely earned it, along with earning respect.

If theres one victory "dance" I dont like, its Liddell's.
 
Goodfella9783 said:
He also talked loads of shit to Liddell up to their fight and flipped him off in an interview at one of the UFC's. They had some special countdown thing on Spike last night where they showed Ortiz's fights and all the ones he won he wouldn't acknowledge his opponent, but when he lost, he'd be real quick to the handshake.
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He didnt even want to fight Lidell b/c they were buddies... I'd be pissed at the Iceman too
 
goandykid said:
He didnt even want to fight Lidell b/c they were buddies... I'd be pissed at the Iceman too
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Someone's gotta have the belt man. They both wanted it, the fight is inevitable, neither is gonna bow down for the other just because they're friends. Chuck just showed more class going about it.
 
FatCatMC said:
Ken got clobbered after he slipped on the logo on the canvas. He was in la-la land, but to his credit he probably wouldn't have been caught had he not slipped.
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He wasn't standing on any logo, he went for an off-balance head kick and fell, and then he got fucked up!
 
the nut said:
He wasn't standing on any logo, he went for an off-balance head kick and fell, and then he got fucked up!
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Either way, Ken's only prayer is to catch Tito with a lucky punch. Ken's strength is his wrestling yet Tito was on top of him the whole fight last fight and all Ken did was cover up. If Ken wants to win he cant just lie on his back like he did last time. He's gonna have to at least attempt a submission or two, but again, he's just gonna have to get lucky. I'm not saying Ken can't win, but he's out classed in this one. Granted Tito didn't look special in the Griffin fight, but if I knew I had a chance to kick my arch rivals ass in my next fight, I'd do as much as I could to make sure I wasn't injured for it. He's just lucky he walked away with a win there. Any way you slice it, Tito is gonna put on a fucking clinic.
 
FatCatMC said:
Either way, Ken's only prayer is to catch Tito with a lucky punch. Ken's strength is his wrestling yet Tito was on top of him the whole fight last fight and all Ken did was cover up. If Ken wants to win he cant just lie on his back like he did last time. He's gonna have to at least attempt a submission or two, but again, he's just gonna have to get lucky. I'm not saying Ken can't win, but he's out classed in this one. Granted Tito didn't look special in the Griffin fight, but if I knew I had a chance to kick my arch rivals ass in my next fight, I'd do as much as I could to make sure I wasn't injured for it. He's just lucky he walked away with a win there. Any way you slice it, Tito is gonna put on a fucking clinic.
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If Tito comes out the way he did against Griffin, Shamrock is in serious trouble. Griffin was younger and fresher and had more stamina than Tito, and made it closer in the 2nd and 3rd. Shamrock will winded just like Tito in the 3rd.

I will be suprised if Shamrock wins a round!
 
shamrock is so done it hurts. im sure hes going to come back and have a much better ground game and be in better shape and blaa blaa. bottome line is that tito is way younger, trains with better people, and most likely trains harder. i dont think this will be the fight of the evening, the best fight of saturday is going to be arlovski and sylvia, hands down.
 
I'm looking forward to the Tito/Shamrock fight more so than the title match. Did anyone even see the first fight? Even though Tito obviously dominated, Shamrock showed so much damn heart out of pure hatred and wouldn't give up regardless of the number of strikes he took. He'd roll out of dangerous positions and get up and start throwin! Now that's an entertaining fight. Unlike the Sylvia/Arlovski fights where it lasts a minute and one punch lands and it's over. Not how I wanna spend $50.00. I'm actually anticipating the Burkman/Neer fight more than AA/Sylvia.
 
Goodfella9783 said:
I'm looking forward to the Tito/Shamrock fight more so than the title match. Did anyone even see the first fight? Even though Tito obviously dominated, Shamrock showed so much damn heart out of pure hatred and wouldn't give up regardless of the number of strikes he took. He'd roll out of dangerous positions and get up and start throwin! Now that's an entertaining fight. Unlike the Sylvia/Arlovski fights where it lasts a minute and one punch lands and it's over. Not how I wanna spend $50.00. I'm actually anticipating the Burkman/Neer fight more than AA/Sylvia.
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That Shamrock/ Ortiz fight was terrible!
 
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the nut said:
That Shamrock/ Ortiz fight was terrible!
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But the AA/Sylvia fights were good? :hmmm:

At least Ortiz/Shamrock went 3 rounds. And even though it was pretty one sided any true fan of fighting would respect Shamrock for his heart and chin. When someone's face looks the way Shamrock's did and he still gets up and goes toe-to-toe, it's a good fight.

In both Arlovski/Sylvia fights they went down on one single punch and then it was over from there.
 
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Goodfella9783 said:
But the AA/Sylvia fights were good? :hmmm:

At least Ortiz/Shamrock went 3 rounds. And even though it was pretty one sided any true fan of fighting would respect Shamrock for his heart and chin. When someone's face looks the way Shamrock's did and he still gets up and goes toe-to-toe, it's a good fight.

In both Arlovski/Sylvia fights they went down on one single punch and then it was over from there.
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I respect Shamrock for what he was, a great fighter in his time, not what he is now, a has been. I respect a fighter like Sylvia for getting put down and then turning the tables and putting Arlovski away, or getting his arm broken and not quitting. I'm not trying to take anything away from his career, but I can't stand when he has a temper tantrum and threatens Tito. Tito mopped the floor with his face. Don't talk shit after being used for a punching bag. I hope he kicks Tito's ass , but I just don't see that happening!

As far as the Arlovski v Sylvia 1 & 2, I don't recall claiming they were good fights, but they were a quick burst of excitment and I didnt feel cheated like I did when Shamrock got owned!

But then again, what do I know I'm not a true fan of fighting!
 
Tomorrow night baby!!! We'll see then.
 
from now on i am not going to look at this thread because here the fight is still 3 days away!!
 
I don't really care who wins the Tito v. Shamrock fight, but I think that Ortiz will win. I definately think the the "Pitbull" will win. He barely lost the last fight. If he didn't let Sylvia back to his feet and just kept pounding him, he would have won. He will definately win this time and prove himself once again.
 
Heavy Liftin said:
I don't really care who wins the Tito v. Shamrock fight, but I think that Ortiz will win. I definately think the the "Pitbull" will win. He barely lost the last fight. If he didn't let Sylvia back to his feet and just kept pounding him, he would have won. He will definately win this time and prove himself once again.
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After watching the recent program on Spike, my cheers shifted from Sylvia to AA.

I was only cheering for Sylvia b/c he's in the Millitich camp w/ Matt Hughes, but in the program AA won me over by saying how much he wanted to win it for Chicago and maybe he could help bring the UFC to Chicago. Plus AA didnt talk nearly as much shit as Sylvia, maybe its the language barrier haha.
 
goandykid said:
After watching the recent program on Spike, my cheers shifted from Sylvia to AA.

I was only cheering for Sylvia b/c he's in the Millitich camp w/ Matt Hughes, but in the program AA won me over by saying how much he wanted to win it for Chicago and maybe he could help bring the UFC to Chicago. Plus AA didnt talk nearly as much shit as Sylvia, maybe its the language barrier haha.
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I kinda hate it when people talk shit. Although, theres always someone who does it and when its done, I only enjoy it when its clever or well deserved. Shamrock/Ortiz is a well example.

Yeah, its safe to say I am looking more forward to that fight than the title fight. :yes:
 
Not only do I not like Tim Sylvia, I think he has the worst nickname I have ever heard. The "Maine-iac". Hehehe hahaha hohoho, -1. :thumbdwn:
 
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