Ultimate Mass Cycle Question

[Lance]

This question is for GP and other experienced posters. What would your "ultimate cycle" consist of (Using VPX, Molecular, or combinations of products) if size/strength were your only concerns. Please provide suggested dosages of each item, including post-cycle recovery. If you want to go crazy, include suggested meal/supplement timing recommendations.
Those of you who are loyal to 1fast or Avant, please post your versions (make sure products are still available!).
This should be fun! Thanks in advance for your time and knowledge.

Sincerely,


Lance


PS: I forgot to include cycle length!

 

[dbo]

Lance, I used ergopharm's 1-AD, along with 1fast400's 1,4 andro oral with great results. I gained close to 10 pounds in 8 weeks, while cutting some fat. I am not sure exactly how much fat but it is very noticeable. I used 600mg of 1-AD a day The last three weeks i tapered 500,400,300mg. I used 1,4 andro starting in the 2cd week at 400mg a day throughout cycle. I ate 4-5 times a day and would take whey protein drinks between meals. L Glutamine before and after workouts and before bed.
If you follow this cycle i am sure you will see impressive gains. Take in as much information as possible from this site. There are a lot of experienced and knowledgable individuals willing to help. Good Luck

 

[slowpain]

why did you taper down on the 1-AD? Is that recomended because I was going to taper up so at the last week I would end up at 600mg a day. Is there a reason you chose to taper down and what would the difference be?

 

[dbo]

I tapered due to the fact that your body gets used to large amounts of 1-test in your system,and if you suddenly stop you will lose more of your gains than if you slowly came off of the 1-test. I kept more of my gains with this cycle, but it is hard to compare since the cycle before this past one i only took 1-AD at 400mg for 6 weeks. I lost half of my gains on that cycle. I decided to add 1,4 andro due to the fact that gains on EQ (boldenone)which 1,4 converts to, are quality gains which tend to stay with you after completion of the cycle.
You do not want to start the cycle at the lowest dosage. You want to start high to shock your system. That is how you experience the most gains. I noticed most of my gains at the begining of my cycle.

 

[Tkarrde]

Originally posted by dbo
I tapered due to the fact that your body gets used to large amounts of 1-test in your system,and if you suddenly stop you will lose more of your gains than if you slowly came off of the 1-test.

Could you provide scientific evidence for this assertion?

I dont mean to be confrontational, but the longstanding myth that down-tapering is beneficial is absurd.

The body DOES NOT regulate the HPTA from a supraphysiological vantagepoint, meaning that ANY exogenous androgens will still result in the continued suppression of natural testosterone production. Going from 900mgs to 300mgs of 1AD (as an example) will not signal the body to reinitiate test production, as the 300mgs of 1AD is STILL keeping androgen levels above "normal."

 

[dbo]

I don't know if their is sceintific evidence nor do I see any sceientific evidence that pro hormones work. But through my experience and others i know they do work. I do not see the benefit of keeping the high dosage towards the end of the cycle if the same reults could be abtained with the use of less PH or AS. If money is no object you could keep the high dosage throughout cycle but from what I have seen there is no benefit.

 

[Tkarrde]

Originally posted by dbo
I don't know if their is sceintific evidence nor do I see any sceientific evidence that pro hormones work. But through my experience and others i know they do work.

Touche

I do not see the benefit of keeping the high dosage towards the end of the cycle if the same reults could be abtained with the use of less PH or AS.

What makes you think the same results could/will be obtained?

If money is no object you could keep the high dosage throughout cycle but from what I have seen there is no benefit.

I disagree.

 

[dbo]

It is just from my experience with Ph's and AS that tapering at the end of a long cycle does not effect results if any. Tharrde has proven that all people do not react the same to certain dosages declines at the end of the cycle. That is why I like this board because it widens your circle of friends on which to base your future cycles on. Instead of relying on a few for advice you can talk to hundreds.