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UN official: Enough evidence to prosecute Rumsfeld for war crimes

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That's nuts.


The Raw Story | UN official: Enough evidence to prosecute Rumsfeld for war crimes


Monday, the United Nations Special Rapporteur on Torture Manfred Nowak told CNN's Rick Sanchez that the US has an "obligation" to investigate whether Bush administration officials ordered torture, adding that he believes that there is already enough evidence to prosecute former Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld.

"We have clear evidence," he said. "In our report that we sent to the United Nations, we made it clear that former Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld clearly authorized torture methods and he was told at that time by Alberto Mora, the legal council of the Navy, 'Mr. Secretary, what you are actual ordering here amounts to torture.' So, there we have the clear evidence that Mr. Rumsfeld knew what he was doing but, nevertheless, he ordered torture."

Asked during an interview with Germany's ZDF television on Jan. 20, Nowak said: "I think the evidence is on the table."

At issue, however, is whether "American law will recognize these forms of torture."

A bipartisan Senate report released last month found Rumsfeld and other top administration officials responsible for abuse of Guantanamo detainees in US custody.

It said Rumsfeld authorized harsh interrogation techniques on December 2, 2002 at the Guantanamo prison, although he ruled them out a month later.

The coercive measures were based on a document signed by Bush in February, 2002.

This video is from CNN's Newsroom, broadcast Jan. 26, 2009.
 
:nerd:how about that.
 
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Good luck with that.
 
No way any Congress or President will the UN try our past gov't officials....no way
 
We dump water down 3 terrorist's noses and they behead innocent people on youtube.

We're the ones with the UN on our back. Go figure. Time to withdraw funding and kick them out of that building in NYC. It'd be better served as a homeless shelter. I'd rather help domestic bums than international bums.
 
We dump water down 3 terrorist's noses and they behead innocent people on youtube.

We're the ones with the UN on our back. Go figure. Time to withdraw funding and kick them out of that building in NYC. It'd be better served as a homeless shelter. I'd rather help domestic bums than international bums.

Rofl, I guess you didn't get the memo of how many detainees have been kill by our methods while in detention centers.

I am all for water boarding if it gives quality information. But we haven't just been doing water boarding. But, nice try on trying to downplay the situation.
 
Rofl, I guess you didn't get the memo of how many detainees have been kill by our methods while in detention centers.

Unless it's a 100% (which it's not), it's not enough. That's how they treated Americans, then that's how they should be treated.
 
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Unless it's a 100% (which it's not), it's not enough. That's how they treated Americans, then that's how they should be treated.

"They" as in terrorist have. "They" as in the people in our detention centers haven't been found guilty yet.

I'm all for killing terrorist, and I am all for torturing terrorist for information. But, I am not for doing either towards people who have not been given a fair trial.
 
"They" as in terrorist have. "They" as in the people in our detention centers haven't been found guilty yet.

I'm all for killing terrorist, and I am all for torturing terrorist for information. But, I am not for doing either towards people who have not been given a fair trial.

I can agree with that. If they were picked up as civilians, then fine; but if they're terrorists or Iraqi soldiers: death for everyone.
 
We dump water down 3 terrorist's noses and they behead innocent people on youtube.

We're the ones with the UN on our back. Go figure. Time to withdraw funding and kick them out of that building in NYC. It'd be better served as a homeless shelter. I'd rather help domestic bums than international bums.

I agree.
 
No way any Congress or President will the UN try our past gov't officials....no way


Really? Have you seen the dimwits who are running our Congress and our new President? I hope you're right. I fear you're wrong. There's nothing on this Earth that Pelosi and Reid would like more than to see old Rummy get torched. I bet they'd be standing at the door to the UN applauding the presecutor.
 
"They" as in terrorist have. "They" as in the people in our detention centers haven't been found guilty yet.

I'm all for killing terrorist, and I am all for torturing terrorist for information. But, I am not for doing either towards people who have not been given a fair trial.


If "THEY" were captured on the battlefield fighting against us then they are, by definition, guilty. ;)
 
If "THEY" were captured on the battlefield fighting against us then they are, by definition, guilty. ;)

Dude, our Military considers the entire middle east "the battle field". There have been cases of Iraqi and Afghani citizens being taken from their homes and sent to detention centers where they were tortured until they died. Later it was found out that a simple case of mistaken identity had taken place.
 
Dude, our Military considers the entire middle east "the battle field". There have been cases of Iraqi and Afghani citizens being taken from their homes and sent to detention centers where they were tortured until they died. Later it was found out that a simple case of mistaken identity had taken place.

If that stuff really happens (i'm no political heavy weight by any means), its scary shit. You always read about gov't's taking people away to never be heard from again, but its always about Hitler's ascent to power/the holocaust, or the Russian Gulags and such.

As much as i'm for saying, fuck them do whatever you want to those shit heads to get info and keep us safe, stuff like that makes you think twice (or three, four, five times really).
 
We dump water down 3 terrorist's noses and they behead innocent people on youtube.

We're the ones with the UN on our back. Go figure. Time to withdraw funding and kick them out of that building in NYC. It'd be better served as a homeless shelter. I'd rather help domestic bums than international bums.

Well......I agree but not for the same reasons. We need to dump the UN because why should be allow a multinational group to issue directives that we legally have to follow. That would seem to be in direct opposition to everything that the Constitution stands for.
 
On a side note, did nobody find the cockmeat sandwich scene completely fucking hysterical? I didn't care for that movie overall, but it had its moments.

And yes, i'm trying to hijack this thread. This place needs some positive, light hearted discussions. I'm ready to slit my wrists and fly a kamikaze mission into Iran right about now...
 
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