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VPX and the PH ban...
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Hey.. did you join the same frat I did. Familiar sounding stamp? It was in the Western Region of Sugma Cock?
Are we frat brothers?
This is a list of companies, that sell PH's I know of that support USFA. If you know of any you definately know support USFA, please add them.
BIOTEST (www.BiotestEdge.com)
ERGOPHARM / LPJ RESEARCH (www.Ergopharm.com)
SCI-FIT NUTRITION (www.ScifitAuthentic.com)
AVANT LABS (www.AvantLabs.com)
NUTREX (www.Nutrex.com)
MOLECULAR NUTRITION (www.MolecularNutrition.net)
SAN NUTRITION (www.sann.net)
IMPACT NUTRITION (www.impactnutrition.com)
BIOTEST (www.BiotestEdge.com)
ERGOPHARM / LPJ RESEARCH (www.Ergopharm.com)
SCI-FIT NUTRITION (www.ScifitAuthentic.com)
AVANT LABS (www.AvantLabs.com)
NUTREX (www.Nutrex.com)
MOLECULAR NUTRITION (www.MolecularNutrition.net)
SAN NUTRITION (www.sann.net)
IMPACT NUTRITION (www.impactnutrition.com)
VPX has nifty packaging... I like blue bottles! 
Comments on the phone:
about the 1-t cyp and 4ad cyp being meant only for oral use.
comments in regards as to what the USFA asked for when talking with VPX
That studies are done on every product VPX makes (by vpx)
Do I need to go on?
Oh as far as the comment about the ban not happening. Whoever said that is a fvcking idiot. These things will be gone inside of 8-10 months (meaning 1-T and possible the precursors). I'll bet my store on it.
about the 1-t cyp and 4ad cyp being meant only for oral use.
comments in regards as to what the USFA asked for when talking with VPX
That studies are done on every product VPX makes (by vpx)
Do I need to go on?
Oh as far as the comment about the ban not happening. Whoever said that is a fvcking idiot. These things will be gone inside of 8-10 months (meaning 1-T and possible the precursors). I'll bet my store on it.
I am certain the CYPS are meant for oral use.
As for studies they perform on their products I do not know. They do something because they are very effective.
As for VPX and the USFA that will go on and on.
1fast, I am curious to your side. Did VPX have a falling out with Rick Collins or did they just refuse to contribute to the organization.
As for studies they perform on their products I do not know. They do something because they are very effective.
As for VPX and the USFA that will go on and on.
1fast, I am curious to your side. Did VPX have a falling out with Rick Collins or did they just refuse to contribute to the organization.
Rick has gone way beyond the call of seperating his business from the USFA. Obviously he could use myself and many others as outlets to push his book and so on, as you can see we don't do it. VPX was present a pack at the arnold about donation. We are not talking millions of dollars. To become a base member of the USFA, it cost 1000 bucks a month. Wow, that sure is a lot of money. VXP has choosen not to donate for whatever reason. VPX just won't donate. They are obviously here to ONLY make a buck a nothing else.
If VPX meant for the cyp to be oral, why are they unflavored?
I do not know why they are unflavored but I will find out. I have seen bloodwork from someone who was on the test study team for the CYP. Yes it was a VPX employee, but the results were astounding. He took it orally. I will see if he will post the results.
1fast, if you have such a problem with VPX why do you carry them? I am just wondering.
1fast, if you have such a problem with VPX why do you carry them? I am just wondering.
I'm still a business.
One more thing. I do not know if you noticed earlier. Do you have any pics pf your new store since adding all the inventory. I know this is off topic, but yor store should look awesome.
If VPX meant for the cyp to be oral, why are they unflavored? [/QUOTE]
Here is what I was told. They are meant for oral usage, but safe for injection. VPX had to protect their ass because they knew someone would want to inject them. I was told I could take it either way but injecting them would not improve the effectiveness. I recieved this product for free and I will give give honest feedback. I will be taking 1cc per day of the 1-test cyp.
Here is what I was told. They are meant for oral usage, but safe for injection. VPX had to protect their ass because they knew someone would want to inject them. I was told I could take it either way but injecting them would not improve the effectiveness. I recieved this product for free and I will give give honest feedback. I will be taking 1cc per day of the 1-test cyp.
Lets get real for a minute. No oral substance will be as effective if it was injected. That's ludicrious.
Now that we have put this behind us, isn't it obvious why they "claim its for oral use" but then make it possible (by not adding flavoring) to be injected? Because if it is know that the intent is for injection, it is no longer a "supplement" under the DSHEA but rather a "drug" and regulated as such. They are trying to cover their asses, but leave the door open for injectible use. This is a huge blow, as when the FDA figures this out the product will be gone, and they will be all over VPX. If it truly was as effective oral, the would in fact DISCOURAGE injectibale use by putting a flavoring system in it, so that it CAN't be injected and further insulating them from FDA attack.
BS, your arguments are illogocal here, sorry. Think it through.
I can't believe the crap being spewed by some people in this thread. It is just getting ridiculous. There is so much underlying hatred, jealousy, and personal agenda going on here that it makes the validity of alot of this thread go down the tubes.
Of course I know that some of the clowns will come back with some "smart ass" remark, but I really don't give a SH%T anymore. I am not going to continue to waste my time debating politics with everyone.
What are 99% of members here interested in...RESULTS!! THAT is the bottom line and THAT is what VPXs creatine, proteins, fat burners, and PHs provide.
I gave a few people over at VPX the address here if they want to come here and add to this debate, but I am done with it because my focus is on helping people achieve their goals, and that is what I will spend my time doing.
Enjoy flaming me...enjoy your VPX bashing...enjoy whatever childish nonsense you want to involve yourself in...BYE...
Of course I know that some of the clowns will come back with some "smart ass" remark, but I really don't give a SH%T anymore. I am not going to continue to waste my time debating politics with everyone.
What are 99% of members here interested in...RESULTS!! THAT is the bottom line and THAT is what VPXs creatine, proteins, fat burners, and PHs provide.
I gave a few people over at VPX the address here if they want to come here and add to this debate, but I am done with it because my focus is on helping people achieve their goals, and that is what I will spend my time doing.
Enjoy flaming me...enjoy your VPX bashing...enjoy whatever childish nonsense you want to involve yourself in...BYE...
GoPro, I still love ya man! 
Even if I had an opinion on this topic, which I don't because I have never used either products, or even researched them much at all, I'd still respect you and VPX as well as 1Fast400.com b/c I buy my stuff from them usually. I don't use VPX, but I have tried their MRPs and clenbutrix (which tastes like poop!) and was impressed. It's a shame that people must let personal feelings come out in such a way. GoPro RULES, and so does 1FAST400.com IMO. So there! I'll have it both ways thank you very much!
Even if I had an opinion on this topic, which I don't because I have never used either products, or even researched them much at all, I'd still respect you and VPX as well as 1Fast400.com b/c I buy my stuff from them usually. I don't use VPX, but I have tried their MRPs and clenbutrix (which tastes like poop!) and was impressed. It's a shame that people must let personal feelings come out in such a way. GoPro RULES, and so does 1FAST400.com IMO. So there! I'll have it both ways thank you very much! - Joined
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Thats what I'm talking about Freeman... we can order from 1Fast400, chat with Gopro... and ignore any squabbling that breaks out in the ranks.
You know what bothers me about the FDA trying to take supplements off the market? Every year thousands of people die from drunk drivers... and yet they continue to sell alcohol everywhere. How can they possibly overlook that and yet whine about supplements in any fashion? Its hypocritical and it makes me think that its a bunch of fat nasty pencil pushers who are doing this regulating. I hope they choke on their twinkies
You know what bothers me about the FDA trying to take supplements off the market? Every year thousands of people die from drunk drivers... and yet they continue to sell alcohol everywhere. How can they possibly overlook that and yet whine about supplements in any fashion? Its hypocritical and it makes me think that its a bunch of fat nasty pencil pushers who are doing this regulating. I hope they choke on their twinkies
Here is my take on this. If it is safe for injection, is it not sterile? If it wasn't, I sure wouldn't inject it. And to go the extra step to make it sterile, it has to cost more money, right? There are dozens of products out right now that are not made sterile by companies in case some idiot wants to inject. There will always be those fools out there! But for VPX to go there, just proves to me that it is intended for that use! And like TP said, anything taken orally, most will get filtered by the liver before it gets into the blood.
One more comment b/c of the last two posts...there is no reason to not order products from 1-Fast. If they are providing you with good prices/service than YOU SHOULD use them. And that just goes to my point. We want results, plain and simple. If 1-Fast or any other site provides you with what you need and do it in a fast and efficient manner that is all we care about.
Oh, and Freeman...I love you too man!!
Oh, and Freeman...I love you too man!!
Maybe Jack Owoc and his master chemists that he employs stumbled onto something that every other player in the PH industry has overlooked. I too am a skeptic, but I do admit there are other genuises besides Pat, Par and Bill. Some of you fail to recognize that. Maybe the reason there is no flavoring system is so there is the possibilty of injection. That does not mean that is what it is intended for. Take Reforvit-B(liquid D-BOL). It cab be injected or taken orally and is equally effective either way. You all need to think outside of the box for a little bit.
Onece again, I will be taking it orally and speek on its effectiveness. If it surpasses 1-test propylcarbonate which is the best 1-test product on the market as of now IMO it will certainly set the standard for prohormones to come.
Why even make it safe for injection? All you are going to do is get the FDA down your throat and risk the whole market being torn down.
Who makes this product?
VPX of course. I do not think anyone else is using propylcarbonate esters. However some people think it is a knockoff of Bill Roberts ethylcarbonate ester(Mag-10). What a joke. As for why it was made safe for injection I will know the answer today. I will post exactly what I am told.
Looking forward to the reasoning!
Here is some info I have found about VPX 1-test CYP as an oral.
The molecule size is insignificant. The cyp ester will increase absorption slightly from the studies I've seen (with oral consumption). However, the VPX cyp ester is encased in a liposome, so were comparing apples to oranges here. The ester is immediately cleaved off of the molecule once it enters the blood stream. But if the molecule is protected from exposure by a liposome, this will prevent cleaving of the ester.
Well, Here's what I think, in order for a "CYP" to work in a liposome, it will have to be Polymer instead. My guess it will release at both ends once released into the blood stream, lasting for about 2 days max! Yes, it is very possiable and knowing VPX (tropicana-no propaganda here, that word is used mainly for dictaitors, fakes, and losers like Saddam) far from which VPX is) and their extreme envople pushing supplements, In the real world this should work. And if it does-WATCH OUT! I wonder if the FDA would allow such a thing, because in theroy, it is possiable there could be more then one use for a polymer in this case.
Interestingly, no oral AASs utilize a cyponiate modification. Rather, it's used to make compounds more lipophilic, resulting in the formation of a depot in the tissue/muscle causing slower release into the bloodstream. Oral AASs utilize methylation to protect it from degredation by the liver. The drawback with certain types of methylation (17-aa) is that it is stressful on the liver.
Does anyone know of any studies that demonstrate that ester attachment protects compounds from degredation by liver enzymes? Has it been shown that with liposomal delivery of cyp-modified PHs there is an increase in the t 1/2? Sorry if I'm sounding skeptical, but I was just wondering why steroid manufacturers (pharmaceutical firms) don't do the same thing.
I'll check out the VPX website.
Maybe the next big thing with be methylated 1-test/4-AD. I bet the FDA would love that.
BUMP! on that bigflee
What if they used a lipophilic delivery system that didn't release a liposome but a new breed of ploymer? which wasn't on any pharmacitcal methylated patent? But consisted of a foodbase orgin? like a dense fat molocule that was encased by the cypinated polymer, which just made some sort of single pass by the liver enzymes? and had a very slow half life?
This was posted by A vpx employee.
BUMP TOO
ACTUALLY, I UNDERSTAND QUITE A BIT, BUT SOMETIMES ACTING STUPID AND LEADING OTHERS TO ANSWER QUESTIONS HELPS EVERYONE ON BOARDS LEARN MORE.
OF COURSE I KNOW WHAT A CYPONIATE EASTER IS, BUT SINCE I KNOW A LITTLE TOO MUCH ON THIS ONE PICTICULAR SUBJECT I MUST/CAN NOT LET THE CAT OUT OF THE BAG TOO SOON
BUT JUST WAIT TILL THIS PRODUCT HITS THE SHELFS, IT WILL CHANGE THE PATH OF THE PH'S TODAYS SUPPLEMENT INDUSTRY AND LEAVING OTHER COMPANIES SCRAMMBLING TO GET IN THE GAME! PH'S AS KNOW IT MUST GROW AND BECOME MORE EFFECTIVE, SO WE MUST KEEP STUDYING HARDER AND FIND TRUTH IN MUSCLE GAINS LEGALY- TRUST ME, THIS IS A LEGIT PRODUCT AND TESTING WAS JUST FINISHED. IT ALL LOOKS SOOO PROMISING.i AM STOKED!
AS FAR AS THOSE NAY-SAYERS WHO SAY "CYPONIATE OR ANY OTHER EASTER COMPOUND SO TO SPEAK" CAN NOT WORK THROUGH A ORAL DELIVERY SYSTEM W/O BEING ALKYL (METHLY OR ETHLY) ARE WRONG! WE NEED TO STUDY HARDER AND THINK OUTSIDE THE BOX!
BUT THEN AGAIN THEY SAID THE WORLD WAS ONCE SQUARE TOO, DIDN'T THEY?
VIVA VPX
The molecule size is insignificant. The cyp ester will increase absorption slightly from the studies I've seen (with oral consumption). However, the VPX cyp ester is encased in a liposome, so were comparing apples to oranges here. The ester is immediately cleaved off of the molecule once it enters the blood stream. But if the molecule is protected from exposure by a liposome, this will prevent cleaving of the ester.
Well, Here's what I think, in order for a "CYP" to work in a liposome, it will have to be Polymer instead. My guess it will release at both ends once released into the blood stream, lasting for about 2 days max! Yes, it is very possiable and knowing VPX (tropicana-no propaganda here, that word is used mainly for dictaitors, fakes, and losers like Saddam) far from which VPX is) and their extreme envople pushing supplements, In the real world this should work. And if it does-WATCH OUT! I wonder if the FDA would allow such a thing, because in theroy, it is possiable there could be more then one use for a polymer in this case.
Interestingly, no oral AASs utilize a cyponiate modification. Rather, it's used to make compounds more lipophilic, resulting in the formation of a depot in the tissue/muscle causing slower release into the bloodstream. Oral AASs utilize methylation to protect it from degredation by the liver. The drawback with certain types of methylation (17-aa) is that it is stressful on the liver.
Does anyone know of any studies that demonstrate that ester attachment protects compounds from degredation by liver enzymes? Has it been shown that with liposomal delivery of cyp-modified PHs there is an increase in the t 1/2? Sorry if I'm sounding skeptical, but I was just wondering why steroid manufacturers (pharmaceutical firms) don't do the same thing.
I'll check out the VPX website.
Maybe the next big thing with be methylated 1-test/4-AD. I bet the FDA would love that.
BUMP! on that bigflee
What if they used a lipophilic delivery system that didn't release a liposome but a new breed of ploymer? which wasn't on any pharmacitcal methylated patent? But consisted of a foodbase orgin? like a dense fat molocule that was encased by the cypinated polymer, which just made some sort of single pass by the liver enzymes? and had a very slow half life?
This was posted by A vpx employee.
BUMP TOO
ACTUALLY, I UNDERSTAND QUITE A BIT, BUT SOMETIMES ACTING STUPID AND LEADING OTHERS TO ANSWER QUESTIONS HELPS EVERYONE ON BOARDS LEARN MORE.
OF COURSE I KNOW WHAT A CYPONIATE EASTER IS, BUT SINCE I KNOW A LITTLE TOO MUCH ON THIS ONE PICTICULAR SUBJECT I MUST/CAN NOT LET THE CAT OUT OF THE BAG TOO SOON
BUT JUST WAIT TILL THIS PRODUCT HITS THE SHELFS, IT WILL CHANGE THE PATH OF THE PH'S TODAYS SUPPLEMENT INDUSTRY AND LEAVING OTHER COMPANIES SCRAMMBLING TO GET IN THE GAME! PH'S AS KNOW IT MUST GROW AND BECOME MORE EFFECTIVE, SO WE MUST KEEP STUDYING HARDER AND FIND TRUTH IN MUSCLE GAINS LEGALY- TRUST ME, THIS IS A LEGIT PRODUCT AND TESTING WAS JUST FINISHED. IT ALL LOOKS SOOO PROMISING.i AM STOKED!
AS FAR AS THOSE NAY-SAYERS WHO SAY "CYPONIATE OR ANY OTHER EASTER COMPOUND SO TO SPEAK" CAN NOT WORK THROUGH A ORAL DELIVERY SYSTEM W/O BEING ALKYL (METHLY OR ETHLY) ARE WRONG! WE NEED TO STUDY HARDER AND THINK OUTSIDE THE BOX!
BUT THEN AGAIN THEY SAID THE WORLD WAS ONCE SQUARE TOO, DIDN'T THEY?
VIVA VPX
Bigswole...you are doing a nice job of providing information on this subject. Good work. I just hope you are responded to with respect and an open mind (Yes, there are other genius' out there aside from Pat, Par, etc).
There is more info I have that I was asked not to share. You know who I speek with and know that he is a standup guy. He is responsible for bringing you to VPX, correct. Out of respect for what he shared with me, but asked me to keep quiet , I have to honor his request. BTW, he did hook me up fat.
Such a statement goes well beyond the PH industry. You are saying that he has defied the laws of biochemistry and done what no chemist or scientist has ever COME CLOSE to doing.
And again, if it is just as potent, why not take steps to make sure it can't be injected, rather than take steps to make sure it can.
It is completely illogical.
Yeah, I know who you are talking with. He is a very good guy and has alot of insight on the subject at hand. I also have plenty of info straight from Jack, as we speak daily, that I am unable to give out (for obvious reasons).
I'm glad T hooked you up. He's simply a cool guy.
