what does open chat mean to you? is it useless?

[Mudge]

Besides, Foreskin is already back under a different screen name anyways. True story.

People who find themselves in troublesome situations, are usually looking for trouble. Jodi has never once been rude to me, and I've been here for longer than a lot of people still active on the site. Lots of people leave over time because they dont like rudeness, and some of the people here joke in good fun which is great - yet others take it beyond that and are just plain shitty.

So if you think Jodi was "rude" to you, I'd question your behavior quite honestly. Not because I have something against you, but because I've never gotten that from her - not even an inkling of anything close to that.

This situation also reminds me of the perception that women who dont put up with shit, are "bitches." Some of the people on the site seem to feel threatened when a woman has a mind of her own. I'm no feminist, but I believe in equality, and I think some people here dont see things the same way.

 

[P-funk]

Damn Mudge, you look friggin' huge in that AVI!!

 

[BigDyl]

Damn Mudge, you look friggin' huge in that AVI!!

True Story!

 

[AKIRA]

your post seems to be argueing both sides
the point is he knew where the line was, and he chose to run all over it. and its not like the line is prohibitive. there are tons of us who say whatever we want without crossing that line

Its supposed to. I like that this forum is lenient, but "too much of anything is no good for ya, baby."

 

[BoneCrusher]

People who find themselves in troublesome situations, are usually looking for trouble. Jodi has never once been rude to me, and I've been here for longer than a lot of people still active on the site. Lots of people leave over time because they dont like rudeness, and some of the people here joke in good fun which is great - yet others take it beyond that and are just plain shitty.

So if you think Jodi was "rude" to you, I'd question your behavior quite honestly. Not because I have something against you, but because I've never gotten that from her - not even an inkling of anything close to that.

This situation also reminds me of the perception that women who dont put up with shit, are "bitches." Some of the people on the site seem to feel threatened when a woman has a mind of her own. I'm no feminist, but I believe in equality, and I think some people here dont see things the same way.

My statements are from observation only, not personal experience. She has been polite to me. When ever we have had dialogue it was because I asked a question and she contributed. I only speak from what I've seen her do to other less fortunate souls. I agree with your thoughts about strong women Mudge ... you're dead on and in case you missed it in there I kinda like a women who's part bitch ... every family needs one to keep the peace. Most successful men have one ofe these at home and would be nowhere without her.

 

[Witchblade]

I don't care that much about Foreman himself, I care about the way things were handled. I can understand he was banned, but the aftermath was just stupid.

Deleting all those threads and giving out infractions. Fucking censorship, seems like Nazi Germany 1944 in here.

 

[Witmaster]

I don't care that much about Foreman himself, I care about the way things were handled...

This is my whole focus on the matter.

I sat and watched a situation escalate at the hands of Moderators which otherwise would have been nothing at all had it simply been left alone.

Foreman was being his usual self and Moderators were behaving precisely as could have been predicted. They swarmed around him. Goaded him with disparaging comments. Essentially, Foreman was baited into the whole thing.

If the Mods would have simply STOPPED POSTING thier personal and vindictive comments then Foreman would have simply gone on to other things. But no, Pride prevailed. Instead... the Mods engaged in a "tit-for-tat" exchange and then decided to Ban him for it.

This sort of reprehensible behavior could happen to any other member for no other reason than the Mods simply decide they don't like you anymore.

That's exactly how it went down last night. I'm sure foreman won't be the last.

It's appalling to me to see how hyprcritical the standard have become here. I've seen Moderators tell someone POINT BLANK, "you are a f*cking loser" or "you are a f*cking idiot" and all is well. But let some poor member get caught exhibiting that same level of dialoge and WHAM! Infraction/Ban.

Both side were wrong last night. Both parties stepped over the limit. The difference is, Modeators are simply not held accountable to the same standards as the rest of the membership.

 

[Witmaster]

So if you think Jodi was "rude" to you, I'd question your behavior quite honestly...

I recall some time back when I was defending Jodi and paid her the highest compliment. I said something like, "she has offered innumerable and invaluable advice on diet and nutrition"

Aparently I chose words thst were beyond her understanding because she unloaded on me like a dump-truck!

It wasn't until another MOD had the courage straighten out her misunderstanding did she offer a faint apology (if I could call it that).

Ever since then I've chosen to steer completely clear of direct conversations with her simply because I'm not certain how she would interpret my intentions.

 

[mike456]

This is my whole focus on the matter.

I sat and watched a situation escalate at the hands of Moderators which otherwise would have been nothing at all had it simply been left alone.

Foreman was being his usual self and Moderators were behaving precisely as could have been predicted. They swarmed around him. Goaded him with disparaging comments. Essentially, Foreman was baited into the whole thing.

If the Mods would have simply STOPPED POSTING thier personal and vindictive comments then Foreman would have simply gone on to other things. But no, Pride prevailed. Instead... the Mods engaged in a "tit-for-tat" exchange and then decided to Ban him for it.

This sort of reprehensible behavior could happen to any other member for no other reason than the Mods simply decide they don't like you anymore.

That's exactly how it went down last night. I'm sure foreman won't be the last.

It's appalling to me to see how hyprcritical the standard have become here. I've seen Moderators tell someone POINT BLANK, "you are a f*cking loser" or "you are a f*cking idiot" and all is well. But let some poor member get caught exhibiting that same level of dialoge and WHAM! Infraction/Ban.

Both side were wrong last night. Both parties stepped over the limit. The difference is, Modeators are simply not held accountable to the same standards as the rest of the membership.

so what do you think should be done now?

 

[AKIRA]

If the Mods would have simply STOPPED POSTING thier personal and vindictive comments then Foreman would have simply gone on to other things. But no, Pride prevailed. Instead... the Mods engaged in a "tit-for-tat" exchange and then decided to Ban him for it.

Why should they have stopped posting? Its open chat and along that, a double edged sword.

I believe the only fault the mods are in is basically letting him get away with such shitty replies on the forum. "If it was ok then, why isnt it now"~sort of thing.

On the other hand, theres only so much a person or persons can take. If he wasnt so randomly rude, then the moderators may have accepted the good with the bad.

"STOPPED POSTING" Shit. Why didnt he?

 

[MyK]

This is my whole focus on the matter.

I sat and watched a situation escalate at the hands of Moderators which otherwise would have been nothing at all had it simply been left alone.

Foreman was being his usual self and Moderators were behaving precisely as could have been predicted. They swarmed around him. Goaded him with disparaging comments. Essentially, Foreman was baited into the whole thing.

If the Mods would have simply STOPPED POSTING thier personal and vindictive comments then Foreman would have simply gone on to other things. But no, Pride prevailed. Instead... the Mods engaged in a "tit-for-tat" exchange and then decided to Ban him for it.

This sort of reprehensible behavior could happen to any other member for no other reason than the Mods simply decide they don't like you anymore.

That's exactly how it went down last night. I'm sure foreman won't be the last.

It's appalling to me to see how hyprcritical the standard have become here. I've seen Moderators tell someone POINT BLANK, "you are a f*cking loser" or "you are a f*cking idiot" and all is well. But let some poor member get caught exhibiting that same level of dialoge and WHAM! Infraction/Ban.

Both side were wrong last night. Both parties stepped over the limit. The difference is, Modeators are simply not held accountable to the same standards as the rest of the membership.

 

[Witmaster]

Why should they have stopped posting? Its open chat and along that, a double edged sword.

I believe the only fault the mods are in is basically letting him get away with such shitty replies on the forum. "If it was ok then, why isnt it now"~sort of thing.

On the other hand, theres only so much a person or persons can take. If he wasnt so randomly rude, then the moderators may have accepted the good with the bad.

"STOPPED POSTING" Shit. Why didnt he?

He wasn't doing anything different than what the Mods were doing and yet HE got banned for it.

I'm not defending all his bullshit in the past. That's no secret.

Last night was inappropriately handled. Plain and simple. The Mods could have ended the whole things peacefully by not fueling the fire.

Sure, Foreman could have taken that "higher road" himself but he's not a mod. There is no expectation for him to "set the example".

 

[Witmaster]

He wasn't doing anything different than what the Mods were doing and yet HE got banned for it.

I'm not defending all his bullshit in the past. That's no secret.

Last night was inappropriately handled. Plain and simple. The Mods could have ended the whole things peacefully by not fueling the fire.

Sure, Foreman could have taken that "higher road" himself but he's not a mod. There is no expectation for him to "set the example".

For the benifit of the discussion allow me to elaborate further...

The purpose of this post is NOT to slam Jodi. She is a wonderful person who (Like Bonecrusher stated) has proven her dedication to this site through the years.

The Purpose of this site is to illustrate that sometime EVERYONE is capable of making a mistake. misunderstandings and emotional outbursts can occur when even the best of intentions were at the heart of the matter.

Mods are not infallible. Mistakes can happen. I think the way last night went down was a mistake.

 

[viet_jon]

This is my whole focus on the matter.

I sat and watched a situation escalate at the hands of Moderators which otherwise would have been nothing at all had it simply been left alone.

Foreman was being his usual self and Moderators were behaving precisely as could have been predicted. They swarmed around him. Goaded him with disparaging comments. Essentially, Foreman was baited into the whole thing.

If the Mods would have simply STOPPED POSTING thier personal and vindictive comments then Foreman would have simply gone on to other things. But no, Pride prevailed. Instead... the Mods engaged in a "tit-for-tat" exchange and then decided to Ban him for it.

This sort of reprehensible behavior could happen to any other member for no other reason than the Mods simply decide they don't like you anymore.

That's exactly how it went down last night. I'm sure foreman won't be the last.

It's appalling to me to see how hyprcritical the standard have become here. I've seen Moderators tell someone POINT BLANK, "you are a f*cking loser" or "you are a f*cking idiot" and all is well. But let some poor member get caught exhibiting that same level of dialoge and WHAM! Infraction/Ban.

Both side were wrong last night. Both parties stepped over the limit. The difference is, Modeators are simply not held accountable to the same standards as the rest of the membership.

except one thing. I'm not sure what happened when I went to bed that night, but Jodi said the next morning everything that he done. If it's all true, then the ban was righteous. But Forman is a smart guy. He knows how to walk the fine line. And I am sure he didn't step over it for no apparent reason. I suspect a mod provoked it. But too bad he's gone, we don't get to hear his side of the story. And since all the threads have been deleted, the evidence is gone.

I have no proof to argue this. This is simply my opinion of what happened.

 

[Witmaster]

except one thing. I'm not sure what happened when I went to bed that night, but Jodi said the next morning everything that he done. If it's all true, then the ban was righteous. But Forman is a smart guy. He knows how to walk the fine line. And I am sure he didn't step over it for no apparent reason. I suspect a mod provoked it. But too bad he's gone, we don't get to hear his side of the story. And since all the threads have been deleted, the evidence is gone.

I have no proof to argue this. This is simply my opinion of what happened.

Yea, I just got PM'd with some Intel that I was unaware of.

Jodi, I'm sorry. There's really nothing more i can say or do.

Regardless.... What's done is done.

I'm done.

 

[AKIRA]

Come to think of it...couldnt that one thread that started (and prolly ended) this been locked instead of banning?

Then again, wasnt it Foreman who made like..3-4 threads on that poor bastard who wanted to get married at 17? Imagine the mod that had to keep up with that shit. And to add to his list of recent crimes, didnt he pull that shit with Goodfella too? Then on top of it all, got into an argument with a moderator.

He played with fire.

Eh well, hell be forgotten about in about...1 year.

 

[Witchblade]

Come to think of it...couldnt that one thread that started (and prolly ended) this been locked instead of banning?

Then again, wasnt it Foreman who made like..3-4 threads on that poor bastard who wanted to get married at 17? Imagine the mod that had to keep up with that shit. And to add to his list of recent crimes, didnt he pull that shit with Goodfella too? Then on top of it all, got into an argument with a moderator.

He played with fire.

Eh well, hell be forgotten about in about...1 year.

You're completely missing the point. Everyone knows the ban was righteous. It was how the mods acted and how the situation was taken care of that annoys people.

 

[BigPapaPump68]

One of the mods in particular provoked foreman is a few threads, and acted childish the same way foreman did. Nothing against the mods at IM, becuase they are very helpful but one of the mods in particular should be watched a little more closely.

 

[AKIRA]

I guess I am missing the point. I might be confused cuz of the protesting avatars.

 

[Little Wing]

One of the mods in particular provoked foreman is a few threads, and acted childish the same way foreman did. Nothing against the mods at IM, becuase they are very helpful but one of the mods in particular should be watched a little more closely.

are you talking to me?

 

[Little Wing]

sorry. beer.

 

[god hand]

I've been the brunt of Foreman's bullshit, and slung shit at him unprovoked. But he did add a sense of humor here, something that others are not able to accept or agree with. I have no idea why he was baned, but I doubt it was for violent threats or hacking the server. He most likely didn't post nude pic's of his package (or Jodi's), do any kinda momma jokes at Jodi's expense, or send an envelope with a suspicious white powdered substance to Robert's IM mailing address.

My point? Foreman, Like Jodi, does contribute to Im. He, like Jodi, is also a rude insensitive person who feels he can do things outside of the rules. If you can't take that then stay out of Open Chat. I totally agree that threads should not be tittled "I can suck my own dick" or "should pussy farts be bottled and sold on eBAy". This is not the place for that kind of garbage, but a well aimed (or even poorly aimed) "go fuck yourself" in an Open Chat thread is no big deal. Grown ups do tend to throw that around a bit.

I got a muthafucking infraction for tellin Bigdyl "Fuck You"

 

[CowPimp]

True Story, but your argument essentially boils down to "oh yeah, well foreman started it!"

Not so. You obviously didn't get the point of that post.

 

[god hand]

This is my whole focus on the matter.

I sat and watched a situation escalate at the hands of Moderators which otherwise would have been nothing at all had it simply been left alone.

Foreman was being his usual self and Moderators were behaving precisely as could have been predicted. They swarmed around him. Goaded him with disparaging comments. Essentially, Foreman was baited into the whole thing.

If the Mods would have simply STOPPED POSTING thier personal and vindictive comments then Foreman would have simply gone on to other things. But no, Pride prevailed. Instead... the Mods engaged in a "tit-for-tat" exchange and then decided to Ban him for it.

This sort of reprehensible behavior could happen to any other member for no other reason than the Mods simply decide they don't like you anymore.

That's exactly how it went down last night. I'm sure foreman won't be the last.

It's appalling to me to see how hyprcritical the standard have become here. I've seen Moderators tell someone POINT BLANK, "you are a f*cking loser" or "you are a f*cking idiot" and all is well. But let some poor member get caught exhibiting that same level of dialoge and WHAM! Infraction/Ban.

Both side were wrong last night. Both parties stepped over the limit. The difference is, Modeators are simply not held accountable to the same standards as the rest of the membership.

P Funk!

 

[KelJu]

People who find themselves in troublesome situations, are usually looking for trouble. Jodi has never once been rude to me, and I've been here for longer than a lot of people still active on the site. Lots of people leave over time because they dont like rudeness, and some of the people here joke in good fun which is great - yet others take it beyond that and are just plain shitty.

So if you think Jodi was "rude" to you, I'd question your behavior quite honestly. Not because I have something against you, but because I've never gotten that from her - not even an inkling of anything close to that.

This situation also reminds me of the perception that women who dont put up with shit, are "bitches." Some of the people on the site seem to feel threatened when a woman has a mind of her own. I'm no feminist, but I believe in equality, and I think some people here dont see things the same way.

I would have to agree with this. Foreman had a problem with women after his divorce. Had Jody been a dude, I doubt this would have happened.
I have tons of respect for Jodi for her passion, and for her knowledge that she shares. I like Foreman, because he made me laugh a lot, and over time her helped me learn how to deal with assholes by giving me lots of practice dealing with one...him.

I wish foreman would have shut his mouth when the mods told him too. I wish he and Jodi could have reconciled their stupid bullshit. But they didn't, so tough shit. On with the next thread.


P.S I don't really understand why the threads are being deleted, either.

 

[P-funk]

P Funk!

Fuck you. Don't get mad at me because you are a moron.

 

[mike456]

Fuck you. Don't get mad at me because you are a moron.

 

[AKIRA]

True Story?

 

[god hand]

They keep mentioning new members. New members didnt come here for open chat and shouldnt even go to it!

 

[AKIRA]

They keep mentioning new members. New members didnt come here for open chat and shouldnt even go to it!

I was annoyed here the first time I was in Open Chat. In other forums, where there is an open chat section, I never responded like I did here.