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What is the best legal ph around?

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'4-chloro-17a-methyl-andro-4-ene-3,17bdiol or 4-chloro-17a-methyl-androst-1,4-diene-3-17b-diol - found in supplements such as ProMagnon 25 and Halodrol-50 - Cannot use after December 31, 2006.'

Fuckin awesome.
 
and....I've done the research necessary to come to the conclusion that some AAS are better if not as harmful as using some of the "designer steroids", plus they friggin work!
 
juggernaut said:
and....I've done the research necessary to come to the conclusion that some AAS are better if not as harmful as using some of the "designer steroids", plus they friggin work!
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Definetly will agree with that. The majority of AAS surpass legal designer steroids by a pretty large extent in effectiveness and safety. There is less of a margin for error however, with the designers, being orals. Too many novices may inject in the wrong place, or at the wrong time.

Didn't know about the ban coming up this winter...
 
Juggernaut...do you just belong to these natural sites or do you compete in any of their contests?

It is obvious why they are banning all of these OTC DRUGS (which is what they are), as they want natural guys competing in their shows.
 
I've competed in both inbf and ocb. Ocb is bit more relaxed on whats "legit", while inbf is more natural. I dont belong to the ocb site anymore because if you ask a question that might be considered taboo (such as using grey market stuff) they get all holier than thou. I am all for natural bbing, but come on, you know as well as i do that some guys are NOT natural and they claim the are.
 
juggernaut said:
I've competed in both inbf and ocb. Ocb is bit more relaxed on whats "legit", while inbf is more natural. I dont belong to the ocb site anymore because if you ask a question that might be considered taboo (such as using grey market stuff) they get all holier than thou. I am all for natural bbing, but come on, you know as well as i do that some guys are NOT natural and they claim the are.
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Of course many guys are "less than natural" in all tested organizations, but there are also many who are. So, as long as you go in with the attitude that you are going to use some banned substances in order to compete, then you are just helping to perpetuate the illigitamacy of natural bodybuilding. Why not be one of the guys that actually do it right?
 
I agree with what you said, GP; However, my question is what is going to make me grow as say haladrol would and not get me kicked out of the mentioned federations? If I have to join another federation just to use a substance like the above mentioned, why not use AAS and know that you will in fact grow?
Believe me, I want to stay natural, and I want to be freaky. I dont want to look like ronnie or ruhl. I think they are terrible representations of this great sport. But I dont want to look like the average typical joe. I havent looked like that in nearly 3 years. I enojy the way I look now. All I'm looking for is something that will keep me natural but make me bigger.

My only supps at the current moment are CEE, whey and tons of food taken at certain times of the day (9 meals to be exact). Food thus far has really been the chief reason why I have grown so much. I am nearly looking for an extra boost. Any ideas? I did try the nha stack by designer labs and it worked VERY well. But now I understand that one of the main components are being banned...for fuck's sake!
 
juggernaut said:
I agree with what you said, GP; However, my question is what is going to make me grow as say haladrol would and not get me kicked out of the mentioned federations? If I have to join another federation just to use a substance like the above mentioned, why not use AAS and know that you will in fact grow?
Believe me, I want to stay natural, and I want to be freaky. I dont want to look like ronnie or ruhl. I think they are terrible representations of this great sport. But I dont want to look like the average typical joe. I havent looked like that in nearly 3 years. I enojy the way I look now. All I'm looking for is something that will keep me natural but make me bigger.

My only supps at the current moment are CEE, whey and tons of food taken at certain times of the day (9 meals to be exact). Food thus far has really been the chief reason why I have grown so much. I am nearly looking for an extra boost. Any ideas? I did try the nha stack by designer labs and it worked VERY well. But now I understand that one of the main components are being banned...for fuck's sake!
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Well, there is a reason why there is nothing that is going to make you grow like Halodrol, for example, and that is because most PH's are actually real steroids, and nothing ovet the counter is going to match their potency.

Right now I am personally using VPX NO Shotgun, ALRI Jungle Warfare, ALRI Restore, and my usual high amounts of BCAA/glutamine/CEE (all through a product called BodyFX CSM), and my results have been pretty amazing. Pretty close to a good PH cycle.
 
juggernaut said:
I did try the nha stack by designer labs and it worked VERY well. But now I understand that one of the main components are being banned...for fuck's sake!
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What's getting banned out of this stack as I'm fixing to buy in Sept.
 
gopro said:
Well, there is a reason why there is nothing that is going to make you grow like Halodrol, for example, and that is because most PH's are actually real steroids, and nothing ovet the counter is going to match their potency.

Right now I am personally using VPX NO Shotgun, ALRI Jungle Warfare, ALRI Restore...
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point taken. I am going to try this stack. Thanks for the 2 cents.
 
juggernaut said:
point taken. I am going to try this stack. Thanks for the 2 cents.
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Shit, throw in Ready4War. I saw that you showed some interest in a different thread, and I'd like to vouge some good feedback for it. I'm running out of my bottle, and I'm definetly going to take a break from the stimulant, but that shit packs a fucking punch. You would go nuts with a pre-workout stimulant combined with all those things.
 
while we're on the discussion of stacking various supps, a while back I inquired as to the worthiness of a product called pine bark extract as a vasodilator. After a month of using this cheap product, I can honestly say: holy crap on a cracker!!!!!!! It's good stuff! veins rise, no itchiness as in using niacin, the effect lasts throughout the workout and it's pretty cheap. Plus, its loaded with antioxidants. Give this a try. I am actually staritng to see veins on my sides of my quads. Stack it with cee and vitamin c, e. Use it both before and after the workout, and dont take it on nonworkout days.

EDIT: also noticing veins popping on my calves-something that never happened before. And these are staying all the time.
 
Do NOT combine Ready 4 War with NO Shotgun..use one or the other...although I feel that as a true muscle builder, NO Shotgun is FAR superior.
 
gopro said:
Do NOT combine Ready 4 War with NO Shotgun..use one or the other...although I feel that as a true muscle builder, NO Shotgun is FAR superior.
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Ah, you're probably right. Just looked into NO shotgun - appears to be a fairly new product. Contains some of the Redline stimulant ingredients... rules out the use of another stimulant.

For muscle building, I'd have to say that NO shotgun does have the edge. Has a real impressive list:
BCAA complex (which happens to have ethyl esters in them)
Creatine ethyl ester
Arginine ethyl ester
L-Glutamine ethyl ester
Arginine Malate and Citrulline Malate

Quite a list, and that's just the beggining. I'll look into trying that out soon, especially because it comes at an affordable price (~34 per tub, lasting around a months time).

I think the only thing Ready4War has over NO Shotgun is the name. From GET DIESEL Nutrition, Ready4War. I think I seriously get a placebo effect from just reading the side of my bottle. HOOAH! haha
 
Honestly, NO Shotgun is one of the most effective products that I have used in a very long time....that and Regeneration-X by ALRI (post workout).
 
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gopro said:
Honestly, NO Shotgun is one of the most effective products that I have used in a very long time....that and Regeneration-X by ALRI (post workout).
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How many servings do you use? And at what time do you take them(couldn't find that information online for some reason)?
For the results you claim, it's considerably inexpensive. I'd also love to give it a go.
 
Read this on the label of NO Shotgun:

NO-SHOTGUN??? is the most advanced product of its kind???Bar none! VPX is so confident in the effectiveness of NO-SHOTGUN??? that we have a $100,000 offer on the table to ANY supplement company that can conclusively prove ??? in a double-blind University Study ??? that their product is better at producing lean muscle, generating greater ATP production for more explosive workouts and initiating NO induced, blood engorged pumps.
 
Focus said:
How many servings do you use? And at what time do you take them(couldn't find that information online for some reason)?
For the results you claim, it's considerably inexpensive. I'd also love to give it a go.
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it says use once a day on the label
 
juggernaut said:
Read this on the label of NO Shotgun:

NO-SHOTGUN??? is the most advanced product of its kind???Bar none! VPX is so confident in the effectiveness of NO-SHOTGUN??? that we have a $100,000 offer on the table to ANY supplement company that can conclusively prove ??? in a double-blind University Study ??? that their product is better at producing lean muscle, generating greater ATP production for more explosive workouts and initiating NO induced, blood engorged pumps.
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i wish I had a lab, cuz Id make that shit in a heartbeat.
 
Wow.. that's a claim - from a respectable company as well.
 
OH, here it is!

"Claim is actually just a joke to make easily convinceable jackasses think our word is somehow worth more than the next conniving supplement company. We do not intend to, nor have the ability to simply throw around 100,000, and indeed, never would have."
 
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