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whats the best pre-work out supplement?

juggernaut said:
Caffiene itself is a MILD diuretic. It was once thought that creatine and caffiene are no-nos, but has been proven to be nothing to worry about. Essentially, just replace the water you peed out. No big deal. Also, the more coffee you drink, the less susceptible you are to these effects.
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I see. Coffee isn't my caffeine - I've never been a coffee drinker. I use to be big in the energy drinks, latest one being sugar free Amp Energy. It's good, but I pee'd a lot. lol
 
Yea, I'm not a fan of those...kill your teeth and taste like shit. Remember to rinse with water after you're done with those. They kill the enamel on your choppers.
 
True that. Although, I think I killed those years ago! Between the years of, oh, 94/95 to about 2003, I drank nothing but soft drinks (or Gatorade). lol
 
guice said:
The label does mention it's potentially banned by some sporting organizations. Good thing I don't plan to compete at any level!
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Well, the only problem is if they pull the product completely. They will also lose their Oxy Elite Pro fat buner. But, that will probably take time anyway, and people will have a chance to stockpile if they like those products.
 
juggernaut said:
guice what are your goals at the present time?
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Weight gain. My goal is to get into the 190s and then start trimming down. I'm currently 176lb (as of this morning). I was ~145lb back in Nov '09.

After that, probably just get into a routine of gain/loss balancing. I don't ever foresee myself being in any competitions, but size wise, I could see myself wanting to get bigger, into the 200s.
 
guice said:
Weight gain. My goal is to get into the 190s and then start trimming down. I'm currently 176lb (as of this morning). I was ~145lb back in Nov '09.

After that, probably just get into a routine of gain/loss balancing. I don't ever foresee myself being in any competitions, but size wise, I could see myself wanting to get bigger, into the 200s.
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I'd suggest creatine with 2 tsp of dextrose and 1/2 cup oats with a scoop of whey an hour before you train. Add in some caffiene and you'll be good to go. If possible, eat a lowfat big dark green salad about three hours before with some chicken breast (grilled) for a good pump in the gym which will cancel the need for arginine. Really load up on the water leading up to the workout as well. If you want some extra (time released) creatine, eat some lean red meat-flank is good for this, as well as on a bulk. 4-6 ounces should be fine. If you're at a deli, try roast beef.
 
Okay, so this thread got me thinking of doing something new and different. I have pretty much tried every Pre-Workout supplement out there that is now main stream and popular. I have taken a break from all these supplements because I have built some tolerance and reached a plateau overall.

So, I started looking into new products that have that I have never used or heard off before until recently. I want to experiment with something new. Let me know your thoughts on the list below or if you have tried any of these products in the past.


RX5 from Red X Labs
Bulldozer XL5000 from Neuro Research Group
Noxipro from CTD Labs
Nitro NCG from IP Pharma
 
Muscle Gelz Transdermals
IronMag Labs Prohormones
The problem is, most of these are similarly based ingredients, and you wont get much of a different spark. Why not lay off the supplements and just let food take it's role? I'm all for using supplements, but maybe it could be a time for you to change something in your diet or your routine.
 
Hands down Napalm... Everything you need and nothing you don't.. (Syn-Tec Online)

Active Ingredients:
Per 50g Serve:

Protein (inc Amino Acids) 18.5g
Dextrose Monohydrate 25.7g
Creatine Monohydrate 5000mg
L-Glutamine 2000mg
Taurine 1500mg
Arginine Alpha Ketoglutarate (AAKG) 1500mg
L-Leucine 1500mg
L-Isoleucine 750mg
L-Valine 750mg
L-Citrulline 500mg
Beta Alanine 3000mg
L- Tyrosine 2000mg
Caffeine 150mg
Bioperine 5mg
Vitamin B1 1.1mg
Vitamin B2 1.7mg
Niacinamide (Vit B3) 10mg
Vitamin B5 1.7mg
Vitamin B6 1.6mg
Ascorbic Acid (Vitamin C) 40mg
 
PhysicalEvolutio said:
Hands down Napalm... Everything you need and nothing you don't.. (Syn-Tec Online)

Active Ingredients:
Per 50g Serve:

Protein (inc Amino Acids) 18.5g
Dextrose Monohydrate 25.7g
Creatine Monohydrate 5000mg
L-Glutamine 2000mg
Taurine 1500mg
Arginine Alpha Ketoglutarate (AAKG) 1500mg
L-Leucine 1500mg
L-Isoleucine 750mg
L-Valine 750mg
L-Citrulline 500mg
Beta Alanine 3000mg
L- Tyrosine 2000mg
Caffeine 150mg
Bioperine 5mg
Vitamin B1 1.1mg
Vitamin B2 1.7mg
Niacinamide (Vit B3) 10mg
Vitamin B5 1.7mg
Vitamin B6 1.6mg
Ascorbic Acid (Vitamin C) 40mg
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I'd say if you took out 2/3 of the ingredients in there, then I'd say everything you need, but there's an awful lot of shit in that list that are proven to be useless or that are so underdosed to even care about buying a product like that.
 
juggernaut said:
Caffiene itself is a MILD diuretic. It was once thought that creatine and caffiene are no-nos, but has been proven to be nothing to worry about. Essentially, just replace the water you peed out. No big deal. Also, the more coffee you drink, the less susceptible you are to these effects.
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I know this sounds really English, but i drink tea instead of coffee, in fact i cant stand coffee lol. Would tea have an adequate enough amount of caffeine in it to use instead of coffee?
 
davegmb said:
Okay cheers mate, or 2 quick cups of tea i supose would make up one cup of coffees caffeine.
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Well, yes. If you want to go a little crazy, pick up caffeine anhydrous. This is a better type of caffeine for those who want to be alert as well as theories behind it that it may improve the likelihood of fat burning. Whether it works or not could be a marketing ploy. But I use this all the time and enjoy the extra kick. It's like getting a cup of coffee with a shot of espresso in it.
 
Although I currently use a mixture by the company I represent, AAEFX, for pre-workout, I do have to give credit to VPX for their NO Shotgun product, as I loved how that stuff worked for me while on it. Shotgun pre and Sythesize post. Excellent.
 
Actually Napalm looks interesting. I just don't like the 26 grams of dextrose per scoop, i think that would limit my flexibility in terms of customizing how much sugar i need, and if i want to consume two scoops instead of just one. The serving size is big too. But I might give it a try. I love White Flood from Controlled Labs but i wanted to try something new. I just tried Bulldozer XL5000, I love the results and specific serving size of 15 grams including 3 grams of dextrose, small and more than enough for me and gives me flexibility if I want to take two scoops, mix with dextrose or my favorite drink.

Bulldozer XL5000
1 scoop = 15.3 grams
Leucine 1250 mg
isoleucine 625 mg
valine 625 mg
Creatine Monohydrate 2000 mg
Arginine Alpha-Ketoglutarate 1500 mg
Glutamine 1500
Citrulline Malate 1000 mg
Beta Alanine 1000 mg
Glycine 1000 mg
Taurine 1000 mg
Carnitine-L-Tartrate 500 mg
Dextrose 3000 mg
N-Acetyl-L-Tyrosine 200 mg
Caffiene Anhydrous 100 mg
Vinpocetine 10 mg
Total = 15.3 grams without fillers
 
ca_iron said:
Actually Napalm looks interesting. I just don't like the 26 grams of dextrose per scoop, i think that would limit my flexibility in terms of customizing how much sugar i need, and if i want to consume two scoops instead of just one.
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not crazy about that much dextrose either. But what exactly is the difference between this and regular dextrose? Any data to prove this type of dextrose is effectively better than a 2 dollar bag of dextrose?
Also, they kind of leave themselves open to criticism because of the high sugar content-not exactly a good environment for us keto-ers.
 
dsc123 said:
am very interested in the pre-work out supplements you have tried and your views on which gives the best pumps and energy?
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I use the Ultimate stack from Elite Nutrition. Its a combo of Yohimbine Hcl, Synephrine Hcl, 1-3 Dimethylamine and Caffeine. Its good for days you feel too tired to train.
 
Have you guys tried 1MR?
 
ive not tried it but am also interested to hear peoples experiances with 1.M.R before i order my next pre-work out
 
1MR:

Pre-Workout Monster Energy And Pump Matrix (Proprietary)* 5558mg
L-Arginine Alpha Ketogluterate
Beta Alanine
L-Taurine
L-Tyrosine
N-Acetyl L-Tyrosine
Creatine Monohydrate
Caffeine Anhydrous
Guarana (30%)
Yerba Mate (25%)
1,3 Dimethylamylamine
Schizandra A (9%)
Niacin
Grape Seed Extract
Vitamin C (Ascorbic Acid)
Red Wine Extract

For the price, serving size and amount per serving I am not impressed , I think it is over hyped. 5.5 grams for 15 Ingredients makes me question how much are you actually getting per important ingredient not to mention the propriety blend which makes it hard to even guess. There are other better options out there.

Good luck
 
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