When I Lose Control......I Like It! Prop/Tren

[Cardinal]

August 1, 2005

Bodyweight: 233

Workout

CGBP 135x6, 165x6, 195x6, 225x5, 235x4
DB OH Press 70x8, 80x5, 70x9, 65x9
Tates 40x8, 50x8, 50x7
Laterals 30x10, 25x12
Pushdowns 30x4x10
Crossovers 30x10, 35x8, 35x8

Cardio

Elliptical 47:00, 750 kcals

Notes

Sorry for the lack of updates the last few days. Had to work and didn't lift this weekend, but I did do plenty of cardio. Felt good to get back in the gym. Strength is down a bit on pressing work but nothing major. Most of the cell volumization is gone and my arms are down about .5". I am going to just maintain what I have for the next few weeks and try not to really gain or lose any weight overall. Protein intake has been spot on the last week or so. Calories still over 4000.

 

[jeb]

That's good you leaned out and ready for a bulker, that' s what I want lean out and maintain what i have it don't matter if i loose what i gained in that cycle but stay the same and lower my bf. keep it up bro. thanks for the input. hey how's the hair going? did it stop?? what are u taking right now as far as hair loss?

 

[Cold Iron]

What is your ideal weight and at what % ??

 

[Cardinal]

Jeb: Thanks for the comments. Hair loss definitely hasn't stopped. Nolvadex always causes me shedding and I won't be off that for a good while now. Right now I am not taking anything but Nizoral shampoo. I will be using finasteride for 3-4 months but I am going to start it right at end of pct. I want to make certain I have no libido issue from it (I know the odds of that are low, but.. )

Cold Iron: Realistically for now, I am looking to get a 36" waistline at about 220 lbs bodyweight. That will probably put me around 15% or maybe a bit less bodyfat (I am not a good estimator, rather go by waistline). Longterm I'll probably shoot for about 10-15 lbs more muscle and a gradual reduction in bodyfat. Steroid use at that point will probably be more maintenance oriented. Basically I am pretty darn happy with how I look now and will be satisfied at around 220-225 leanish (for me). I am already realizing I need to focus on other aspects of bodybuilding more than I do now.

 

[Cardinal]

August 2, 2005

Bodyweight: 234

Workout

HS High Row 160x8, 200x8, 240x9, 220x9
HS Low Row 200x8, 240x8, 260x7
Curls 60x9, 55x8, 50x9, 60x6
Lat Pulldown 145x12
Reverse Curls 75x10

Cardio

Elliptical 50:00, 765 kcals

Notes

Happy to say I have lost only a small amount on the Rows and nothing off the curls strengthwise. Looking good in that department so far. Tren may very well be the best strength drug out there if I manage to keep most all of what I have gained.

 

[Cardinal]

August 4, 2005

Bodyweight: 235

Workout

Squats 135x8, 185x6, 205x6, 225x6, 235x3x5
Deadlifts 225x12, 275x8, 295x8, 275x7
Leg Extensions 2 sets
Abs 3 sets

Cardio

Elliptical 50:00

Notes

Still felt pretty strong on squats and deads. Upped calories by about 1000 or so. Don't think I am gaining any fat so probably a good idea.

 

[Cold Iron]

I don't know how you consistantly put up 50+ minutes of cardio every workout, but I'm impressed.

You going to post any pics?

 

[Cardinal]

Cold Iron: There is usually some pretty nice eye candy in front of the elliptical I am on.

Pics? I wish I had taken before pics so I could post before and after losing 3.5" or so. But I am still close to a 38" waistline and am planning to take 2-3 months to drop the last two inches (natty style). Then I will post some pics.

For what its worth, people in the gym have commented quite a bit on how much weight it looks like I have lost (reality only lost 12-15 lbs) and how much leaner I look. I guess it is because most people that gain a lot of weight never really look that much better that fast (or don't lose it for years).

 

[Cardinal]

August 5, 2005

Bodyweight: 232

Workout

CGBP 135x8, 175x6, 205x5, 225x5, 235x4
Tates 40x8, 55x7, 50x9
Crossovers 35x3x9
Cable Laterals 20x8, 15x2x10
Pushdowns 30x2x12

Cardio

Elliptical 35:00, 525 kcals

Notes

Good workout in not a lot of time

 

[Cardinal]

Update August 14, 2005

Good news and bad news.

Bad news is I am still losing hair. Therefore I have decided to discontinue the use of nolvadex at this point (short pct I know). I am losing quite a bit fast now, so if dropping the nolva entirely doesn't solve the problem, I am going to go ahead and start taking finasteride even if it causes additional shedding initially (I know probably should already be taking it). Normally by now the hair loss pretty much has stopped but not this time. Could be the time of year as I tend to shed more in summer for awhile and then again in spring.

Good news

It looks like the recomp overall went pretty well. I am looking quite lean and still getting comments. I lost about 1/2 inch on my arms from my starting measurement of 17.75", some of which was probably muscle and the rest of which was just fat (I had a lot to lose and still do). Waistline has stayed stable at about 38" throughout pct, just as planned.

Starting Weight: 245-250 lbs
End Weight: 228-233
Weight Loss: 17 lbs
Bodyfat loss: 3.5" off waist

To me those numbers leave a little room for muscle tissue loss, but not a whole bunch considering the weight loss overall.

Strength gains

Tren has worked incredibly well for gaining strength and surprisingly for me, I am still retaining most all of what I got off of tren (I bet what I lost is largely from the Superdrol gains as that has happened to me once before on it). I am still squatting 235x5 for multiple sets, deadlifts are still easy at 315, and CGBP is holding at 235x4. Those numbers aren't that strong but for me I am really happy to retain them for now, especially through pct.

PCT

The first couple of weeks were rough on the libido, probably because of the Tren and partly just performance anxiety. Nothing ever quit working however, which is good.

Right now my libido is really strong. In fact I am losing more hair now that my libido is sky high (relatively speaking), so that makes me think it is definitely time to start taking finasteride.

I definitely look softer in the mirror and less vascular, but overall I like the leaner look.

 

[Cold Iron]

Looking good for the most part.

Does MPB run in the family?

 

[Cardinal]

To my knowledge MPB doesn't really run in my family much. I have experienced hair loss before (within the past two years and not on androgens). Then it seemed that dieting too much caused me to lose hair. That happened twice actually.